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Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:54 am to BowlJackson
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:54 am to BowlJackson
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Being on probation in those days didn't make a difference in those days since bowl games were glorified exhibitions that didn't factor into the national championship.
Probation is probation. Seems odd to claim a title won while on probation.
Here is the historical narrative: LINK
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:56 am to Crimson Wraith
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You were also on probation in 1957, which you also claim.
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Probation is probation. Seems odd to claim a title won while on probation.
Hmmm, Does Bama claim 2009?
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:58 am to AU24
Big fricking One. 
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:58 am to Crimson Wraith
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You mean 1893? Stassen's statistics on that formula page go back to 1902. That's where the stats came from. Never seen that site you linked before.
You'll be better off if you never see that site again.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:59 am to BowlJackson
Yes, taking away Alabama's two most successful coaches, arguably the two best in college football history, with 10 national championships between them, will diminish the program's accomplishments. What's your point? What would Florida be without Spurrier and Meyer? Auburn without Jordan and Dye? LSU without Saban and Miles? Kentucky without Rupp and Pitino?
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:03 am to NYCAuburn
The point, I think, is that Auburn won the title without playing a bowl game, because of probation. I think the title is legitimate, because that is how they determined the title back then. If you agree, then you shouldn't discount any of Alabama's poll titles because of bowl results after the title. You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:04 am to Gary Busey
Shula was only fired when he was because he couldn't beat Auburn. Otherwise he gets at least another year and Saban is coaching elsewhere. Bryant was told when he was hired that he was brought in to end the losing to Auburn.
So yes, actually you did. Nothing to be ashamed of. Your burning desire to beat Auburn has clearly payed dividends to your program
So yes, actually you did. Nothing to be ashamed of. Your burning desire to beat Auburn has clearly payed dividends to your program
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:06 am to Decker
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is that Auburn won the title without playing a bowl game
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If you agree, then you shouldn't discount any of Alabama's poll titles because of bowl results after the title. You can't have it both ways.
I just entered the discussion but the poster I was responding to was discounting Auburns titles, not Alabamas and using reasons that contradict some claims for titles of Bama
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:09 am to BowlJackson
Yep, clearly 
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:11 am to BowlJackson
If things were different, they'd be different. But they're not.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:11 am to PepaSpray
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No offense, but how in the hell would it be more fair elsewhere?
Yeah, that post was sarcasm - aimed at the LSU fans that bitch and moan and claim Bama gets an unfair advantage with scheduling because of the location of the SEC office.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:13 am to NYCAuburn
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Hmmm, Does Bama claim 2009?
Nothing like the barn scenario from 1957. Nice try to deflect though.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:14 am to BowlJackson
So, let me recap your argument, to make sure I understand it:
1) Alabama runs away from the Auburn game in 1908 because they are scared of how strong Auburn's program is. As a result of this decision, over the next few decades, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation while Auburn falls off a cliff.
2) Once Alabama's run comes to an end in the late 1940's, Auburn has some limited football success of their own.
3) In 1958, solely in response to Auburn winning a few Iron Bowls, Alabama reaches out and hires Paul "Bear" Bryant. As a result of this decision, over the next few decades, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation, while Auburn falls off a cliff.
4) Once Alabama's run comes to an end in the early 80's, Auburn has some limited football success of their own.
5) In 2008, solely in response to Auburn winning a few Iron Bowls, Alabama reaches out and hires Nick Saban. As a result of this decision, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation, while Auburn (a couple of one-off seasons excepted) falls off a cliff.
I sense a pattern here...
1) Alabama runs away from the Auburn game in 1908 because they are scared of how strong Auburn's program is. As a result of this decision, over the next few decades, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation while Auburn falls off a cliff.
2) Once Alabama's run comes to an end in the late 1940's, Auburn has some limited football success of their own.
3) In 1958, solely in response to Auburn winning a few Iron Bowls, Alabama reaches out and hires Paul "Bear" Bryant. As a result of this decision, over the next few decades, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation, while Auburn falls off a cliff.
4) Once Alabama's run comes to an end in the early 80's, Auburn has some limited football success of their own.
5) In 2008, solely in response to Auburn winning a few Iron Bowls, Alabama reaches out and hires Nick Saban. As a result of this decision, Alabama becomes one of the strongest programs in the nation, while Auburn (a couple of one-off seasons excepted) falls off a cliff.
I sense a pattern here...
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:17 am to BowlJackson
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Auburn's annual rivals were Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida.
Alabama annually played Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State
Kind of odd that Auburn played Alabama annually, but Auburn was not one of Alabama's annual games
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:24 am to Crimson Wraith
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Nothing like the barn scenario from 1957.
Oh you mean when Alabama coaches paid a PI to setup and get dirt an Auburn player because they didnt get him. Yall were in desperate times back then.
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Nice try to deflect though.
you deflect, then tell someone else they are deflecting. Gold... Again, does Alabama claim 2009, because as you said, "Probation is probation. Seems odd to claim a title won while on probation"
I am sure next you will say its because we didnt play in a bowl game
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:24 am to BowlJackson
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are the reasons that Alabama went out and hired Bear Bryant and Nick Saban
Yes, if Mike Shula had only beaten Auburn we would have forgiven the fact that he would still have a 4 year record hovering around .500. Auburn was his only reason for being fired. Not also losing every game to LSU and all but 1 to Tennessee, and also losing as much as he won against State and Arkansas, recruiting at a bottom half of the conference level, never winning the SEC West and maintaining an average overall football program. Nope, it was just losing to Auburn.
As for Bryant, his predecessor went 4-24-2. But yea, he was hired solely to beat Auburn.
The only coach fired almost solely for losing to Auburn was Bill Curry.
Goodness, you need a pill.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 9:27 am
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:25 am to TheTideMustRoll
Yes, you get it 
But you don't need to use embellishments. Auburn is a top 15 program all-time, so clearly we didn't fall too far off any cliffs.
But you don't need to use embellishments. Auburn is a top 15 program all-time, so clearly we didn't fall too far off any cliffs.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Yes, if Mike Shula had only beaten Auburn we would have forgiven the fact that he would still have a 4 year record hovering around .500. Auburn was his only reason for being fired. Not also losing every game to LSU and all but 1 to Tennessee, and also losing as much as he won against State and Arkansas.
As for Bryant, his predecessor went 4-24-2. But yea, he was hired solely to beat Auburn.
Goodness, you need a pill.
The funny thing is, Bama fans say pretty much the opposite in regards to Auburn, but when the scenario is changed, its not okay.
Got to love CFB
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:28 am to jchamil
Didn't say that. I was illustrating the point of Auburn playing big time programs more than anybody, while Bama liked to annually pad their record by playing the 3 weakest programs in the SEC, teams that Auburn really didn't play that much
Posted on 8/12/16 at 9:29 am to BowlJackson
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while Bama liked to annually pad their record by playing the 3 weakest programs in the SEC, teams that Auburn really didn't play that much
FWIW, everyone padded their record with State
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