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re: The Big 12 is in better condition than we think
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:27 pm to Boomer00
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:27 pm to Boomer00
Colorado State
Memphis
Cincinnati
BYU
Boise State
BYU would be a great get for them. Not sure how life as an independent is working out for them.
If the Big 12 expands again, I think it'll come from this pot. UCF and USF will probably end up being 15 and 16 for the SEC or ACC if I had to guess.
Memphis
Cincinnati
BYU
Boise State
BYU would be a great get for them. Not sure how life as an independent is working out for them.
If the Big 12 expands again, I think it'll come from this pot. UCF and USF will probably end up being 15 and 16 for the SEC or ACC if I had to guess.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:36 pm to CharlotteSooner
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There was never any real customer demand for "conference networks". This is merely an "arms race" bull shite thing created by conference chiefs for marketing purposes. Conference networks can't and won't survive on their own in the TV market. Period.
The SEC Network is the 5th most valuable sports network, worth over half the value of Fox Sports Network.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:42 pm to CharlotteSooner
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There was never any real customer demand for "conference networks". This is merely an "arms race" bullshite thing created by conference chiefs for marketing purposes. Conference networks can't and won't survive on their own in the TV market. Period.
You're gonna have to explain this one a little better to me.
The SEC network just cut checks to every school in the conference for over $10M apiece.
Before the SEC network I couldn't even watch every LSU football game on TV let alone other sports, now every major sport is broadcast. I can stream midweek baseball games, something that was laughable three years ago. You could potentially argue that streaming will eventually end the need for conference networks, but without a network deal with the conference for coverage even that never gets off the ground. The content these network/conference deals make possible is the future of sports TV, bite sized packages for a collection of small markets without the bulk of marketing a single channel to everyone in the country.
Bevo fricked you.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:44 pm to Sooner5030
I didn't say the B12 is in financial trouble, just that they're losing money rather than making it. I didn't know the B12 lost money last year, so it's in worse condition than I thought.
What happens after several more years of millions in deficits? Better hope revenue picks up because your expenses are far higher as of now.
What happens after several more years of millions in deficits? Better hope revenue picks up because your expenses are far higher as of now.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:49 pm to AgCoug
Texas has been and will continue to be the downfall of the big 12. They alone dictate the conference and that's why alot of teams left for other conferences. Texas is very contolling and it's their way or the highway, because in all honesty, without texas the big 12 wouldn't exist and it definitely wouldn't be a power 5 league. This is why oklahoma is looking to leave the conference sometime in the near future. Texas is going to ruin that conference more than it already has and I think the writing is on the wall for the big 12 to fall apart and texas will go independent like notre dame. Texas thinks a lot of themselves and will not sacrifice it's fair share of the money for some of the small programs in the big 12. It's going to fall apart it's just a matter of time imo.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:54 pm to VADawg
Lol the sec will never add teams like ucf and usf to our conference. U being serious? Hahaha. That aint happening. If we add anyone it will be the likes of Virginia tech/virginia/clemson/georgia tech or oklahoma/oklahoma state. You're kidding yourself if you think the sec is going to water down its brand by adding those 2 schools hahaha.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:55 pm to southernboisb
In great shape if reality isn't reality... or they have a 30 year plan.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:56 pm to Guerrilla Monsoon
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I didn't say the B12 is in financial trouble, just that they're losing money rather than making it. I didn't know the B12 lost money last year, so it's in worse condition than I thought. What happens after several more years of millions in deficits? Better hope revenue picks up because your expenses are far higher as of now.
The conference did not "lose" any money. It had a accumulated reserve and distributed $3.9 million of its +30 million in reserves to its members in AY16 or FY16.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:58 pm to Boomer00
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That being said I think OU and KU end up in the B10 within 5-6 years
kansas, yes.
OU...no.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:59 pm to Sooner5030
The big 12 sucks man, period. Your league is in bigtime trouble. It won't last much longer like it is and there are no bigtime programs that want to be a part of that sinking ship. It wil force you to either disband, or add teams like houston and ecu or ucf and usf to your l ready weak league, which will weaken it even more.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:59 pm to Sooner5030
Big 12 made 313 million in revenue and paid out 317 million in expenses. They paid out 4 million more than they made. Call that whatever you want, but it's not a good thing.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:04 pm to Guerrilla Monsoon
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Big 12 made 313 million in revenue and paid out 317 million in expenses. They paid out 4 million more than they made. Call that whatever you want, but it's not a good thing.
because they had about +$33 million in reserves at the time.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:06 pm to Sooner5030
The SEC made 17 million last year, and increased its reserve fund from 66 million to 83 million. Depleting your fund is not the goal.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:09 pm to Guerrilla Monsoon
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The SEC made 17 million last year, and increased its reserve fund from 66 million to 83 million. Depleting your fund is not the goal.
Neither is accumulating a large reserve.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:21 pm to Hugh McElroy
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The SEC Network is the 5th most valuable sports network, worth over half the value of Fox Sports Network.
From cable bundling. You're gonna meet the same fate that the LHN did. Reduced to a regional viewership. It's coming. Accept it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:22 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
League is healthier than it's ever been.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:23 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
yeah......your network survives on cable bundling, not demand. Everything about it is bundling. Big crash coming, just like the LHN. Nobody cares about the SEC outside of SEC territory. ESPN is failing big time. You're a fool to think that they do.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:27 pm to CharlotteSooner
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quote: The SEC Network is the 5th most valuable sports network, worth over half the value of Fox Sports Network. From cable bundling. You're gonna meet the same fate that the LHN did. Reduced to a regional viewership. It's coming. Accept it.
All channels are cable bundled. When the values of networks are figured, the price the networks can demand from cable companies, and the ad revenue they can generate, are extremely important in the valuations.
The SEC network has a demand that has allowed it to demand fantastic rates from the cable companies. The cable companies don't just give money away. You can tell this by the failure of other conference networks. But the SEC is different, and your arse is on the outside looking in, bitch.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:33 pm to Hugh McElroy
You aren't a national brand. Period. No conference is. People in CA, WA, OH, PA, IL, NJ, VA, NC, FL aren't sitting around watching a conference network.
There are too many entertainment choices available and conference networks can't compete with HGTV, Discovery, or any other channel. Failed model. You're delusional.
There are too many entertainment choices available and conference networks can't compete with HGTV, Discovery, or any other channel. Failed model. You're delusional.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:41 pm to CharlotteSooner
Why did you change the conversation to talk about a national brand? You said there was no demand for the SEC Network, and that's a fricking retarded thing to say.
As for national brand, the SEC network gets more money per subscription in Maine than the network of your frickbuddy with chaps gets in their home state.
As for national brand, the SEC network gets more money per subscription in Maine than the network of your frickbuddy with chaps gets in their home state.
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