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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:06 pm to El Segundo Guy
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:06 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Exposure as equally important as money for the premier teams. Clemson will be hurting terribly for exposure if they stay in the ACC.
Clemson has exposure and a 12 team playoff
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:12 pm to Tillman
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Clemson has exposure and a 12 team playoff
* assuming the B1G and SEC don’t break away from the NCAA
You can fight it all you want, and you don’t have to like it, but Clemson will either be joining the SEC in the next 10 years or playing a lower level of football. Unfortunately, it’s that simple.
In related news.. the B1G has a new commissioner today.
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Tony Petitti is the former president of sports and entertainment of Activision Blizzard. He was formerly the chief operating officer of Major League Baseball. He succeeded Rob Manfred in the position on January 25, 2015, after Manfred became Commissioner of Baseball. He previously served as the president and chief executive officer of the MLB Network, where he oversaw all of the network's day-to-day operations. Effective May 15, 2023, he will become the 7th commissioner of the Big Ten Conference.
Link: Tony Petitti B1G
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:14 pm to BigBro
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* assuming the B1G and SEC don’t break away from the NCAA
You can fight it all you want, and you don’t have to like it, but Clemson will either be joining the SEC in the next 10 years or playing a lower level of football. Unfortunately, it’s that simple.
texas has more money than anybody and has struggled for 15 years
12 team playoff = more access for everybody. that's wut ur scared of
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:19 pm to The Orange Bull
Can someone please tell me the appeal of NC State? They never win in anything
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:21 pm to cardswinagain
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Can someone please tell me the appeal of NC State? They never win in anything
TV market from the State of North Carolina. How hard is it to understand that?
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:21 pm to Tillman
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texas has more money than anybody and has struggled for 15 years 12 team playoff = more access for everybody
What exactly are you trying to convince me of? I’m pretty sure neither of us is the one making any decisions.. you clearly don’t think that you need to join the SEC, and I understand that.. I just disagree with you.
I don’t necessarily like the direction this is all going.. but this is the direction that it is going. You either get on the bus, or you get left behind. I truly don’t see any other path. I think the people at your school understand this as well, which is why this topic was created.
As to your point, Texas hasn’t been great at football the last 15 years.. but we do arguably have the best overall athletics program in the country. But i’m not sure what difference that makes either way.
You will either have access to the playoff or you won’t. For the time being you do.. in the future, teams outside of those 2 conferences may not..
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:23 pm to Tillman
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12 team playoff = more access for everybody. that's wut ur scared of
Why would Texas be joining the SEC if THAT is what we were scared of.. it would obviously be easier to make the playoff, under the 12 team format, if we stayed in the Big 12.
You are shortsighted in your vision here. It’s a good thing you aren’t making the decisions for your school.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:31 pm to BigBro
or you just repeat what you hear
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:47 pm to TrueLefty
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TV market from the State of North Carolina. How hard is it to understand that?
If that’s the case, give me Duke instead
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:50 pm to Tillman
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or you just repeat what you hear
you just got a quasi apology for a pissing contest and an excellently detailed explanation supporting the super conference argument and THIS is your comeback?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:59 pm to BigBro
I’m not sure we go to 2 super conferences, but I can’t see the B1G leaving GA Tech out of their plans if we do
They are an AAU member, have a deep & rich football history, and sit in the coveted Atlanta market
Also, if it does wind up being 2 super conferences, it will probably be 48 schools, 2 conferences with 12 team divisions or 8 team pods
They are an AAU member, have a deep & rich football history, and sit in the coveted Atlanta market
Also, if it does wind up being 2 super conferences, it will probably be 48 schools, 2 conferences with 12 team divisions or 8 team pods
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:00 pm to bamaoldtimer
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Somewhere I read that 50% of members can void the contract. Problem will Disney.
Exactly, if ESPN wants to shed dead weight in the ACC like Wake, Syracuse, GT, BC, Duke, Pitt and maybe even UVA itll happen.
The question is does the savings from not paying those schools exceed what they would have to pay the new mega SEC for a revised TV contract.
I'm frankly not sure Disney will do it because they are losing money hand over fist with ESPN and a long term big dollar TV contract is a major risk.
Then the question is to what extent does Fox/B10 get involved? Do they offer a few schools with a few others promised homes in the SEC to get them to a 50% threshold? Unless you hit a combination in which half the league schools are promised more money the deal is dead IMO.
My guess is if ESPN signals they want it they would work with the SEC to find spots for UNC, Clemson, FSU and one of UVA/VTech/Miami.
Duke/Wake/Syracuse/BC/GTech/UVA/NC ST/Pitt/Louisville would fight for spots in the B10 with whoever doesn't get in remaining in a basketball focused ACC with northeast schools like UCONN/Georgetown/etc joining.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:07 pm to Arkyologist
We had the chance to go to the Big 10 about 8 or so years ago but didn't and probably should have. As much as I'd like to have our old SEC rivalry games back I don't see Tech ever coming back to the SEC. The AAU thing and the overall academic side of things is probably a better fit for the Big 10 and will make Tech a lot of money (as if Tech needs more research/academic type money). The school is swimming in money but just won't share it with athletics. Also ugag would block us returning to the SEC.
We've got to get our athletic shite together but I would love nothing more than to be playing Auburn and Tennessee again yearly along with the occasional USCe/Florida/Alabama games. Lot of history with Bama, Auburn and Tennessee.
We've got to get our athletic shite together but I would love nothing more than to be playing Auburn and Tennessee again yearly along with the occasional USCe/Florida/Alabama games. Lot of history with Bama, Auburn and Tennessee.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:18 pm to BigBro
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Yes, sports are important, but the CIC is the real moneymaker in the B1G. Billions and Billions of academic research money shared yearly.
I did my post-doc at OSU and that isn't how the CIC works and money isn't generally shared between schools. The CIC allows each school access to the library of each other school (this is the biggest benefit) and second is the scholar exchange. There are some other benefits such as a common E-bay type market for used equipment but the schools keep their own money.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:19 pm to dcbl
Again I don't think it's about creating a super conference it's a new top division that's breaking from what's currently D1. Thinking it's superconferences in the current set up is myopic
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:49 pm to The Orange Bull
Last year when USC/UCLA joined the B1G a tweet was sent out by SwimSwam that was basically laughed at saying FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA were looking to join the SEC.
Former UGA HC Jim Donnan mentioned FSU, UNC, Clemson, and Miami to the SEC, so I guess we get to see who was right if the SEC goes to 20 whether it's SwimSwam's 4 teams or Donnan's 4 teams.
Another possibility is both are right and all 5 teams will join plus 3 more ( perhaps the "magnificent" seven plus one more)
There's a realignment thread on FSU's on3 site and one of the connected posters mentioned ND has been talking to both the B1G and SEC and mentioned the SEC has given them a better offer than the B1G( where everybody expects them to go to due to their historical rivals being there plus a geographical and academic fit)
But stranger things have happened so maybe ND would be the 8th team to go along with the "magnificent" seven.
Reading UNC + UVA boards they seem to think that their BOG/BOV won't let UNC/UVA leave without NC State and VT also having a spot in the P2 so the B12 is out. That makes them being part of the seven more sensical.
A lot of people have put UNC/UVA in the B1G as some sort of done deal cause they believe it's a better fit for them than the SEC, but reading their boards and other places that doesn't seem to be the case.
UNC/UVA academics want the B1G but the boosters, fans, ADs, etc want SEC it seems; so they think the boosters, fans, etc will win out. Guess we'll see soon enough.
Former UGA HC Jim Donnan mentioned FSU, UNC, Clemson, and Miami to the SEC, so I guess we get to see who was right if the SEC goes to 20 whether it's SwimSwam's 4 teams or Donnan's 4 teams.
Another possibility is both are right and all 5 teams will join plus 3 more ( perhaps the "magnificent" seven plus one more)
There's a realignment thread on FSU's on3 site and one of the connected posters mentioned ND has been talking to both the B1G and SEC and mentioned the SEC has given them a better offer than the B1G( where everybody expects them to go to due to their historical rivals being there plus a geographical and academic fit)
But stranger things have happened so maybe ND would be the 8th team to go along with the "magnificent" seven.
Reading UNC + UVA boards they seem to think that their BOG/BOV won't let UNC/UVA leave without NC State and VT also having a spot in the P2 so the B12 is out. That makes them being part of the seven more sensical.
A lot of people have put UNC/UVA in the B1G as some sort of done deal cause they believe it's a better fit for them than the SEC, but reading their boards and other places that doesn't seem to be the case.
UNC/UVA academics want the B1G but the boosters, fans, ADs, etc want SEC it seems; so they think the boosters, fans, etc will win out. Guess we'll see soon enough.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:54 pm to bamabaseballsec
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Again I don't think it's about creating a super conference it's a new top division that's breaking from what's currently D1. Thinking it's superconferences in the current set up is myopic
I tend to agree with you. I think you have to form the super conferences in order to create the top division, but I think once the SEC and B1G break away from the NCAA, you will see 6-10 team divisions created all under the same umbrella, where all teams are paid equally, similar to an NFL style setup.
I just wonder if this will be football only, or if they will try to do it will all sports. Interesting times indeed.. tbd if that is a good thing or bad thing.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:06 pm to AUFan2015
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A lot of people have put UNC/UVA in the B1G as some sort of done deal cause they believe it's a better fit for them than the SEC, but reading their boards and other places that doesn't seem to be the case.
Do we think that the B1G and SEC are working together? I don’t see the B1G passing on UNC, UVA or Ga Tech if given the chance, but if they are working together to get 24 teams on each side, then maybe the 7 + ND is the plan.
This would be a really solid 8 team addition if the SEC pulled it off.
Notre Dame
Miami
Clemson
Florida State
UNC
NC State
UVA
Va Tech
That’s a home run imo.. but I would guess that ND, UNC and UVA are using it as leverage.
Adding FSU, Clemson & Miami would give the SEC 22 / 25 football champion since the BCS at started in 1998.
Alabama 6
LSU 3
Clemson 2
Florida 2
FSU 2
Georgia 2
Auburn 1
Miami 1
Oklahoma 1
Tennessee 1
Texas 1
Only other 3 would be:
Ohio State 2002
USC 2005
Ohio State 2014
Is that good?
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:13 pm to BigBro
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Do we think that the B1G and SEC are working together? I don’t see the B1G passing on UNC, UVA or Ga Tech if given the chance, but if they are working together to get 24 teams on each side, then maybe the 7 + ND is the plan.
I don't know if you have an on3 sub but on the FSU realignment thread the FSU insider Regal Nole mentioned Pettiti(sp?)/B1G and Sankey/SEC working together instead of as rivals.
UVA 247 writer Jacquie ( can't remember last name) mentioned the SEC wanting UNC + UVA to boost the SEC's academic profile plus wants to boost their non FB/ Baseball/ Basketball sports.
As far as ND goes it's been mentioned they may not want to join the B1G due to previous beef, but also don't want just be another Midwest team and they want to be in a conference with southern teams for recruiting, etc
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:20 pm to AUFan2015
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I don't know if you have an on3 sub but on the FSU realignment thread the FSU insider Regal Nole mentioned Pettiti(sp?)/B1G and Sankey/SEC working together instead of as rivals
Makes sense to me, especially if the plan is to breakaway. Figure out the 48 teams or whatever.. then figure out which way to carve them up.. and here we go..
Yes, you spelled Petitti right. He officially started today, but I assume that he has been brought up to speed on the situation. I posted a blurb about him near the top of p2.
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