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re: Texas A&M/Missouri to the SEC decision could happen soon
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:08 pm to busey
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:08 pm to busey
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busey
Big12 ADs meeting today....A&M/Missouri SEC decision could happen soon.
I haven't spent much time in Missouri, and historically you may be correct, but the cultures are nothing alike. Also, I guess the capital of the Confederacy is north of the Missouri Compromise so...
Southern Missouri as a lot of ties to the south. Now, Northern Missouri is a whole different ball game.
Kansas City is what most people regard as breaking up the continental USA from the North and South. If you drew a line across it today.
As, has been discussed. The Old South, and some of her ideas, are dying with the globalism that continues at a rapid pace.
Atlanta which was once a grand old southern city has been invested with transplants. As the living index staying low in the south more outsiders will continue to move in.
Back on topic.
I think Missouri and Kentucky would be interesting to watch in basketball.
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Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:15 pm to SunHog
It would be an interesting rivalry. And yea, the extreme southern Missouri is just as Southern as Mississippi and so is the Jackson Purchase area of Kentucky. Interestingly enough, that whole area looks a lot like South Louisiana.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:16 pm to busey
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A lot of people are going to feel silly for thinking that this will be resolved quickly. State politics in Texas are going to make this a wild cluster-frick beyond all of your wildest dreams.
The last day for the legislature to meet this year was May 30. It won't be that hard to make the move while they are out of session. And I've heard that the politicians realize that the Big XII is ending and that A&M and UTa won't be held responsible for fighting for Baylor and TT to get included in a BCS conference.
And to GatorPrincess or whoever keeps saying FSU already turned down the SEC. So has A&M... twice. And they still want us and we possibly still want them if the Big XII is no longer the right place for A&M. I'm not saying the SEC does or does not want FSU. But that decision and FSU's decision have little to do with the state of both of their situations 20 years ago.
And I think it was Cheshire that said the conferences are going towards 4 super conferences and likely Big East is next BCS conference to go if that happens. So schools in the ACC should sit tight and enjoy the easiest of the 4 superconferences. I hadn't thought of that. But that's a very good point. POTD for Cheshire
This post was edited on 8/1/11 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:18 pm to Big Kat
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And I think it was HawgAlude that said the conferences are going towards 4 super conferences and likely Big East is next BCS conference to go if that happens. So schools in the ACC should sit tight and enjoy the easiest of the 4 superconferences. I hadn't thought of that. But that's a very good point. POTD for HawgAlude
*cough* TheCheshireHog *cough*
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:22 pm to nosaj56
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Missouri
please no
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:24 pm to TheCheshireHog
haha, I got on the thread late and read all 8 pages before posting. I'll edit 
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:25 pm to Big Kat
No worries, I'm glad you liked my thoughts either way. 
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:27 pm to busey
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Also, I guess the capital of the Confederacy is north of the Missouri Compromise so...
My home State you are referring to there home skillet.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:29 pm to roadGator
I was just pointing out why using that as an example doesn't really mean anything.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:30 pm to spslayto
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Will be interesting to see if they keep this traditional rivalry game going. If Texas goes independent, would they still play both OU and A&M on an annual basis?
Texas vs A&M is done if aggie ejects. Texas vs OU is a 50/50 shot to keep going.
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Dr drunk Does this have legs, or is this just interwebz wishing by TAMU?
No doubt A&M higher-ups want to go. It will be super hard to sell to the state politicians, even the Aggie governor. There has to be a rock-solid plan in place to keep Baylor & Tech in a BCS conference. I could be wrong but I will be shocked if A&M goes to the SEC without some plan in place for Baylor and Tech. Some posters on here like Ball Gravy have some wild theories for how this will happen but I don't find them to be credible.
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Why is this expansion shite still going on? If Texas breaks off into independence then they are going to have a bitch of a time filling out their schedule.
#1 Texas will never make the first move, to many consequences politically if they do.
#2 Texas will never have a hard time filling out its schedule
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If chaos breaks out, and they're forced to go independent, they will survive and still be financially healthy, but they're not ready for it just yet. Texas has a definite financial interest in keeping the Big12 together at this point.
I'm a hard core Texas-ex I I truly don't know what Texas wants. The Univ president (a cal alum) seems to wan the Pac 12, the AD seems to prefer the Big 10, a lot of bigwigs seems to want independence. Texas will be fine no matter what.
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I've heard that the politicians realize that the Big XII is ending and that A&M and UTa won't be held responsible for fighting for Baylor and TT to get included in a BCS conference.
People keep saying this and it contradicts EVERYTHING that has ever happened from the SWC blowing up to the events of last summer. I'm not buying it. It my be hard for you guys to believe but Texas Tech and especially Baylor, for some reason, have HUGE political clout in the state of Texas.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:32 pm to JPLSU1981
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The strongest (and most realistic) candidates to add in the East are: Florida State, Virginia Tech, NCState
I'd go w/ Clemson over NC State.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:41 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Tech doesn't and Baylor doesn't have near as much as they used to. But Perry, vying for a presidential run, doesn't want to piss off the rich Baylor republicans. But this time, it's beyond that. I don't see politicians stopping the train wreck that is the Big XII.
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Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:44 pm to Big Kat
can we trade vandy off for someone?
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:47 pm to Big Kat
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Tech doesn't and Baylor doesn't have near as much as they used to. But Perry, vying for a presidential run, doesn't want to piss off the rich Baylor republicans. But this time, it's beyond that. I don't see politicians stopping the train wreck that is the Big XII.
Your link doesn't mention the politics in any way. You declare, without any facts, that Tech and Baylor don't have as much stroke as in the past. The you you declare, without any facts that you don't see the politicians stopping any thing. Even the most die-hard Aggie will admit it will be a struggle. Look, nothing is impossible, but you personally deciding things will be a certain way doesn't trump history, the current political climate or common sense.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:51 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
my post and link were unrelated. Just wanted to add that link to this thread. And Anne Richards is gone. Baylor doesn't have the stroke they once did. If today was 95 Baylor wouldn't be in the Big XII IMO
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:55 pm to Big Kat
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And Anne Richards is gone. Baylor doesn't have the stroke they once did. If today was 95 Baylor wouldn't be in the Big XII IMO
Was Anne Richards around last summer? Nope......but when the Pac 10/12/16 tried to add OU, Texas, A&M, Okie State, Texas Tech & Colorado without Baylor, Larry Scott said there was a "Tsunami of political pressure" in the state of Texas not to leave Baylor out of a BCS conference. The Pac 16 deal was killed. The political will of Texas, A&M and Tech was TRUMPED by the political will of Baylor. That was last summer. What has changed?
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:56 pm to gatorprincess815
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Florida State won't come, we offered them in the early 90's and Hart and Bowden said it was too hard to get to the NC game in the SEC.
the college football landscape might have changed...just a tad, in the last 20+ years
Posted on 8/1/11 at 3:57 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Baylor may have political power, but I guarantee you Baylor isn't the primary reason the Pac16 deal fell through.
at the notion that the Biggest financial deal in the history of college football fell through because of Baylor.
at the notion that the Biggest financial deal in the history of college football fell through because of Baylor.This post was edited on 8/1/11 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/1/11 at 4:16 pm to JPLSU1981
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at the notion that the Biggest financial deal in the history of college football fell through because of Baylor.
So you prefer to deal in fantasy rather than reality?
Good to know.
Posted on 8/1/11 at 4:25 pm to SandStorm
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Baylor may have political power, but I guarantee you Baylor isn't the primary reason the Pac16 deal fell through. at the notion that the Biggest financial deal in the history of college football fell through because of Baylor.
There are 2 theories out there:
#1 If Larry Scott is telling the truth, Baylor political stroke killed the deal. Why he would lie, I don't know.
#2 Aggies will tell you that they never wanted to go to the Pac 16 and the deal died because they wanted to go to the SEC. But they didn't go to the SEC because........?!? Baylor's political leverage. What other answer is there? Was the SEC begging aggie to join but they stayed in the Big 12 out of the kindness of their heart so that Texas could get the LHN off the ground? They stayed because the state politicians told them "you're staying".
Look, it is embarrassing for everyone, mostly for the Horns, that Baylor can throw their weight around like this. But it is the reality we are stuck with and I have seen no evidence that things have changed.
If aggie runs off to the SEC, Texas goes indy, Tech goes to the Pac 12/14 and Baylor goes CUSA, I will tip my hat and admit I was wrong......but don't old your breath.
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