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re: Tennessean: SEC expansion to 16 coming, Expect VaTech+NCState
Posted on 5/19/12 at 1:20 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 5/19/12 at 1:20 pm to JPLSU1981
I'm all for abandoning so-called "tradition" if it's for the betterment of the sport. I see conference expansion and re-alignment a betterment of the sport because it will get us to the long-awaited goal of an 8-team or a 16-team playoff.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/19/12 at 1:48 pm to Elleshoe
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West:
Mizzou
A&M
LSU
State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Auburn
Alabama
East:
Va Tech
NC State
Florida
UGA
UK
Vandy
Tennessee
South Carolina
Swap Auburn and Vandy and you've got a deal.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 1:50 pm to Elleshoe
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Hugo Stiglitz
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Auburn fans bitching
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:22 pm to JPLSU1981
I think marketing Texas A&M vs. Virginia as an SEC game would be a really hard sell to the real 12 team SEC
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:29 pm to JPLSU1981
UNC and NC State are not going to be in separate conferences.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:41 pm to Elleshoe
The end of college football as we know it is on the horizon...
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:42 pm to Grateful Reb
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The funny thing is, the two schools we probably won't have access to (UNC & UVA) are a waaaaay better fit culturally than NCST and VT.
Disaghree. The schools and fanbases of Va Tech and NC State fit way better in the SEC. You are right that raleigh does not. Mostly because it is a big city and spread out as you said. Not sure why the towns really matter. But blacksburg is basically a typical college town, so yea it would fit. And UNC girls aren't any finer than NC State girls. UNC just has a 2/1 ratio and NC State is almost opposite.
UNC has a completely different feel than any SEC school I've been to. Totally different culture. UVA is a lacrosse school, that is just weird and doesn't fit in a football conference.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:43 pm to Porker Face
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Porker Face
Go away, DaleDenton.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:09 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Go away, DaleDenton.
Thank you, I needed that!
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:09 pm to Elleshoe
I'm thinking I have way to much time on my hand, BUT
North
Va Tech
NC State
Tennessee
Kentucky
South
Alabama
Auburn
Miss State
Ole Miss
East
Florida
UGA
South Carolina
Vandy (No where else to put them)
West
Texas A&m
Arkansas
Mizzou
LSU
Change the rule to where you can only have two divisions, and for the championship, it comes to a 4 team playoff style.
Each team gets 1 permanent divison rival
UGA-Auburn
Alabama-Tennessee
LSU-Ole Miss
South Carolina- NC State
VA Tech- Texas A&M
Kentucky-Florida
Miss State- Arkansas
Mizzou-Vandy
Each year, your division will play another division. Example- (West vs East, North vs South). Play 2 years in a row, switch home and away, then move to the next division. When you play the division of your permanent rival, you choose a team from another division. ( I realize there is flaws in the idea, but if scheduled right it could work)
The playoff system for conference championship is by who wins their division (all sec games count), and then gets the highest seed. Highest seed first goes off record, and then rankings. The two highest seeds will get a home game, and then the SEC championship game will rotate each year between Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, and (Nashville or Charlotte).
North
Va Tech
NC State
Tennessee
Kentucky
South
Alabama
Auburn
Miss State
Ole Miss
East
Florida
UGA
South Carolina
Vandy (No where else to put them)
West
Texas A&m
Arkansas
Mizzou
LSU
Change the rule to where you can only have two divisions, and for the championship, it comes to a 4 team playoff style.
Each team gets 1 permanent divison rival
UGA-Auburn
Alabama-Tennessee
LSU-Ole Miss
South Carolina- NC State
VA Tech- Texas A&M
Kentucky-Florida
Miss State- Arkansas
Mizzou-Vandy
Each year, your division will play another division. Example- (West vs East, North vs South). Play 2 years in a row, switch home and away, then move to the next division. When you play the division of your permanent rival, you choose a team from another division. ( I realize there is flaws in the idea, but if scheduled right it could work)
The playoff system for conference championship is by who wins their division (all sec games count), and then gets the highest seed. Highest seed first goes off record, and then rankings. The two highest seeds will get a home game, and then the SEC championship game will rotate each year between Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, and (Nashville or Charlotte).
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:12 pm to F1V3LSU
I love hearing about the great academic schools of the Big Ten. I received a graduate degree from Michigan and was a GSI while there. The laziness, the rampant (and yet utterly stupid) attempts at cheating, and the nearly complete lack of intellectual curiosity embodied by many of the undergraduates with whom I interacted just makes me smile when I hear tall tales of their superiority. I have no doubt that there were many incredibly intelligent undergraduates I didn't meet, and there is no doubt, at least at that time, many of the graduate programs were top-notch. However, Umich ( and the Big Ten by extension) is definitely not the end-all, be-all of academic brilliance, as Delaney would have us all believe.
All that aside, I don't mind adding two schools to the SEC. I do think a 4 pod system would work best. I have been an SEC fan for my entire life and I only have passing interest in games featuring UGA vs any schools not named Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, and maybe South Carolina.
I do think it is a natural evolution for there to be 4 regional super conferences with regards to football with one semifinal being the Rose Bowl between Pac12 and Big Ten champs, and the other being the Sugar Bowl between SEC and Big 12 champs, with the national championship game being bid on. The "earlier" rounds of the playoffs have already been played in the two-tiered conference championships. Will this leave out schools from getting a chance to play for a MNC in football? Absolutely, but they already are already. It would make more financial sense just to drop all other football programs not included in the super conferences back to 1AA and they can all compete for that championship. Just my two cents worth of thoughts.
All that aside, I don't mind adding two schools to the SEC. I do think a 4 pod system would work best. I have been an SEC fan for my entire life and I only have passing interest in games featuring UGA vs any schools not named Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, and maybe South Carolina.
I do think it is a natural evolution for there to be 4 regional super conferences with regards to football with one semifinal being the Rose Bowl between Pac12 and Big Ten champs, and the other being the Sugar Bowl between SEC and Big 12 champs, with the national championship game being bid on. The "earlier" rounds of the playoffs have already been played in the two-tiered conference championships. Will this leave out schools from getting a chance to play for a MNC in football? Absolutely, but they already are already. It would make more financial sense just to drop all other football programs not included in the super conferences back to 1AA and they can all compete for that championship. Just my two cents worth of thoughts.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:30 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Indfanfromcol
That looks pretty good. Also, I'd gladly take Vandy as the permanent non-divisional rival.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:31 pm to F1V3LSU
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Not sure why the towns really matter.
As far as geographic footprint, tv market, money, etc., they don't. I'm just talking about this as a fan of college football who enjoys going to away games. If you're a die hard NCSU fan, sorry, everything I'm about to say is probably going to piss you off.
I'd much rather see Ole Miss play a cross divisional game in Chapel Hill rather than Raleigh though. Tailgating at NC State sucks. The location of the stadium is inconvenient as hell, and once you get there, all of the tailgating is scattered in dirt parking lots (at least the fraternity ones/ones with college aged kids). Hillsborough Street is alright (I love East Village), but pretty meh as far as college bars go.
In contrast, everything in Chapel Hill is far more centralized. I'll take Franklin Street over Hillsborough any day, and the tailgating reminds me a lot of Ole Miss. Don't know, maybe it's just because Chapel Hill is so reminiscent of Athens and Oxford to me.
At the end of the day though, if UNC is out of the picture, I definitely want NC State in the conference considering I live in Raleigh. Sorry to bash your school, hope y'all wind up in the SEC, .....if UNC can't
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:41 pm to BreakawayZou83
Do you disagree with my comment?
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:45 pm to SoGaFan
Will you be representing OU UGA in the law suit again?
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:49 pm to Elleshoe
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welcome back coach gottfried
West:
Mizzou
A&M
LSU
State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Auburn
Alabama
East:
Va Tech
NC State
Florida
UGA
UK
Vandy
Tennessee
South Carolina
Damn, besides Missouri and Ole Miss, the West is friggn' loaded. East is fricked.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 4:16 pm to Porker Face
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Do you disagree with my comment?
Anyone vs. Virginia doesn't sound interesting. But replace Virginia with Virginia Tech, and ya, it's a decent match-up. Better than watching Ole Miss v. Kentucky or some shite.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 4:22 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Anyone vs. Virginia doesn't sound interesting. But replace Virginia with Virginia Tech, and ya, it's a decent match-up
It can "be a decent match-up" until the cows come home but that doesn't mean people living in the American South will 1. watch it 2. give a shite about it 3. respect it as a conference game.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 4:26 pm to Pigfeet
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Damn, besides Missouri and Ole Miss, the West is friggn' loaded. East is fricked.
Pig trolls, everywhere.
Teams we are currently on par with or better than in that proposed conference:
State
Ole Miss
A&M
NC State
UK
Vandy
Tenner
Arkansas
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