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re: Teddy Lehman Telling Truth about SEC
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:51 pm to TideFaninFl
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:51 pm to TideFaninFl
What type of road game crowds/environments is OU used to? Biggest game of the year was always Texas..neutral site. @OSU every other year seems tough.
Auburn and LSU can be tough places to play.
Auburn and LSU can be tough places to play.
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:11 pm to Yukons Worst
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Venables has coached in 8 national championships as a DC.
Kirby has coached in 6 national championships Two as Head coach and four as DC.
Kiffin only 1 time as OC
That's it I think correct me if I'm wrong Three coaches have OC/DC Head Coaching experience in the SEC.
Deboer coached in the national championship last season as a head coach.
Kirby has coached in 3 national championship games (wins in 2022 and 2021, an OT loss in 2017). No idea how many he coached in as an assistant with Bama because I don't really think it matters.
Kelly was the head coach in a national title game with ND (when Saban and Bama spanked them). Kelly also got his team to the playoffs twice before.
Sark got his team to the playoffs once.
The SEC has 4 active coaches who've taken a team to the playoff.
The Big 10 has 2 (Day and Riley)
The ACC has 1 (Swinney) and the Big 12 has 1 (Dykes).
Venables name isn't on any of the lists.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:21 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
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VAST talent difference, but lost. It happens.
It happened in year 1.
Not in year 2.
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And still is Saban's whipping boy (1-5 lol).
You're talking about the GOAT. And Kirby is .500 against Saban in the BIGGEST games... national championship matchups. He lost in OT in his second year as a coach and won by 15 in the second NC matchup.
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I don't know whether Venables will win titles, unlike you I'm not jesus. I don't know the future.
I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about how LAST YEAR he lost to two teams who have talent at or below Vandy levels, and had two close calls against teams at or below Vandy talent levels. He also lost an OOC game to a team with comparable talent to Vandy. Literally every SEC team other than Vandy had more talent than OU's opponents in those 5 games.
And other than playing Vandy, those would all be losses in the SEC. That would turn his 10-3 season into an 8-5 season.
That's what Venables has shown us to date... in his "good" year.
In Smarts second year with a true freshman QB... he finished #2 in the nation and won the SEC.
If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:11 am to Soonerboomer1
I'd take exception to much of that. OU may indeed be near the top; it could happen. On the other hand, there are plenty of other schools that would fill the void if Bama and Georgia were not their usual selves. Hats off to:
LSU
Missouri
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Kentucky
Auburn
Florida
Texas A&M
and with just a bit of luck,
South Carolina
Mississippi State
Not much chance with these guys:
Arkansas, unless they get OU at home and are really pissed off that day
Vanderbilt
LSU
Missouri
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Kentucky
Auburn
Florida
Texas A&M
and with just a bit of luck,
South Carolina
Mississippi State
Not much chance with these guys:
Arkansas, unless they get OU at home and are really pissed off that day
Vanderbilt
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:28 am to DawginSC
quote:And won 10 games, including the Big 12 team that took the SEC's best to the woodshed.
I'm talking about how LAST YEAR he lost to two teams who have talent
Oh you're not talking about the future? but ya keep yapping how OU "could become" the next aTm
Maybe your simpleton logic works elsewhere, but not with bluebloods of the sport. Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:30 am to DawginSC
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:33 am to Soonerboomer1
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. This is the current ranking. It justifies Lehman's rant
Despite beating Texas last year, OU lost to teams outside of the top 40 in total talent... two times (in conerence)
By 8 total points. By 3 and by 5.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:20 pm to SoonerMagic1
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By 8 total points. By 3 and by 5.
Yes.
You are missing the point here. The issue is that those two close losses along with close wins to UCF (2 points) and BYU (7 points) are all poor efforts by a team with far superior talent than who they faced.
That goes to coaching. Venables has not shown the ability to get his team from having many "off games" that aren't just a little off... they're REALLY off.
And when you're facing a team in the teens or 20's in talent rather than a team in the 50's or 60's... you're going to lose MORE of those "off" performances.
OU's SEC slate contains teams who's talent composite last year was:
1st,
6th,
7th,
16th,
18th,
22nd,
23rd
25th.
Literally every one of them is a top 25 talent level team.
Last season, OU only played two teams in the top 25 of talent. Texas and TCU. OU needs to figure out how to avoid having extremely bad "off" weekends this upcoming year or they'll lose a lot of conference games.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:33 pm to DawginSC
Or maybe OU will have less off games, and win more than 10 games. See, i can play hillbilly jesus too
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:45 pm to HailToTheChiz
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"when I'm talking historically, I'm talking the past 3-5 years"
What an idiot
Conveniently starting after that 3 season run of losing to Georgia, Alabama, and LSU in the semifinals.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:46 pm to VADawg
You don't read or listen well do ya hillbilly
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:47 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
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Or maybe OU will have less off games, and win more than 10 games.
Venables might be able to do that, but he HASN'T YET.
I'm not making "hope and prayer" predictions. I'm simply telling you what Venables has shown and explaining that you'll get away with that a lot less in a conference with more talented competition from top to bottom.
Venables coached teams at OU have thrown up a lot of duds in his 2 years at the helm. Every first year coach can be forgiven for their first year, but even last year OU was not consistent and had a lot of close wins and losses to extremely low talent teams.
There is a completely valid reason for OU being projected where they are in the SEC this year It's because so far, that's what Venables has shown is he'll do. His resume is NOT impressive. OU looks a lot like A&M with him as the coach.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:48 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
Someone from Mobilhoma calling someone else a hillbilly is rich.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:55 pm to VADawg
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Someone from Mobilhoma calling someone else a hillbilly is rich.
I ignored that part because it's so stereotypical.
UGA grad = hillbilly.
I moved from New England to the research triangle part of NC, and then to the metro Atlanta area when I was in high school.
I went to UGA because it was a great school and effectively free for me with the HOPE scholarship. I'm always amused when people online consider me a redneck. I was a metro kid through and through. Providence, then Durham, then Atlanta.
It's been a long time since UGA was a hillbilly school. Maybe Georgia Southern or Valdosta State still fit that bill, but not UGA. And that was the case when I was at UGA... and that was in the late 90's.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:55 pm to DawginSC
quote:A conference that routinely loses to north texas, app state, and new mexico state? A conference that only had 1 blueblood?
I'm simply telling you what Venables has shown and explaining that you'll get away with that a lot less in a conference with more talented competition from top to bottom.
Not scared, peasant.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:30 pm to Yukons Worst
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Venables has coached in 8 national championships as a DC.
So now its ok to use coaches previous accomplishments from other schools in the argument? I thought it was about current coaches at current schools. This was a quote from earlier...
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No, he is talking about PROGRAMS with the CURRENT coaching staffs.
If so, Brian Kelly HAS coached in the national championship and had 2 playoff appearances.
Or are we just cherry picking for oklahoma?
You guys are just talking in circles at this point. It has been very clearly laid out by "DawginSC" as to why it is very reasonable to expect ou and texas to struggle based on the difference in the level of competition from the b12 and the SEC. Ill share his very logical explanation again in case you missed it because it was spot on...
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Last year, OU would have been 6th in this year's SEC in the talent composite. THey'll be about the same this upcoming year.
Is 6th better than "most"? Sure. But it's not near the top. The SEC as it stands now had 12 teams in the top 20 in talent in 2023. Six in the top 10.
OU under Venables didn't dominate the Big 12 despite it only having 2 other teams (TCU and Texas) in the top 20 of team talent instead of 11 and only one team ranked ahead of them instead of 5. That change in what they face DOES suggest they'll have troubles. It would be different if they only struggled against Texas in conference. But the 3rd most talented roster in the big 12 other than OU was Texas Tech at 40th. Literally EVERY SEC team besides Vandy (58th) had more team talent than TT.
Yet OU lost to Kansas (62nd in talent) and OKSU (55th in talent) and struggled with UCF (53rd) and BYU (74th). They also lost to Arizona in their bowl (43rd). Again, all of these teams are behind every SEC team other than Vandy in talent.
OU has off days against teams like OkSU or Kansas (who each had 6 4+ star players) and manages to lose. If they have the same sort of day against Arkansas or UK (28-30 4+ star guys) they'll have a harder time managing a win. And those are the teams what were 2nd' and 3rd worst in the SEC in team talent (though a few ranked above them have less 4+ star guys).
Yall just dont want to face it.
You'll be biting the pillow soon enough though.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:30 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
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A conference that routinely loses to north texas, app state, and new mexico state? A conference that only had 1 blueblood?
Not scared, peasant.
I am sorry, what? If you think those loses are routine, well you will be surprised. 1 blueblood, maybe, but the SEC has several teams with multiple NC (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU) and they have been winning them for decades. The only decade since 1910's that the SEC (at that point they were future schools) only won 1 NC was the 1980's.
Compare that to the Big 10 or the SWC/Big8/Big12....
You are going to have some sleepless nights for the next 5-6 years at least. It would help[ OU's case if they had ever beaten an SEC team in a title or playoff game, but OU is zero for the SEC in those. Even Kentucky beat the NC winning OU team in the bowl game.
Speaking of bowl games, 2 of OU's titles were won with OU not playing in a bowl. and the 1956 NC OU team opponents had only 1 team with an winning record and an overall record that averaged 3-6-1.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:38 pm to Soonerboomer1
Oklahoma went 10-3. Their P5 wins were
> 3-9 Cincinnati
> 5-7 BYU
> 5-7 TCU
> 6-7 UCF
> 7-6 Iowa State
> 9-4 WVU
> 12-2 Texas
Oklahoma played 5 games against P5 teams with more than 8 wins. They went 2-3. They year before they went 6-7 overall.
People are putting Oklahoma in the same place as an SEC team that is coming off a year like that - somewhere in the middle.
> 3-9 Cincinnati
> 5-7 BYU
> 5-7 TCU
> 6-7 UCF
> 7-6 Iowa State
> 9-4 WVU
> 12-2 Texas
Oklahoma played 5 games against P5 teams with more than 8 wins. They went 2-3. They year before they went 6-7 overall.
People are putting Oklahoma in the same place as an SEC team that is coming off a year like that - somewhere in the middle.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:02 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
OU is about to get blasted. These goobers have no clue what’s coming.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:48 pm to TideFaninFl
quote:OU has a rivalry with 2 bluebloods (Nebraska and Texas). OUr accomplishment went through one or both of them, every year. No scheduling BS. And Alabama knows how hard it is to win vs Texas
Compare that to the Big 10 or the SWC/Big8/Big12
I don't have sleepless nights over football. Sorry, I have a real life.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:49 pm to Mr Sausage
quote:Ya sucked in the XII, ya sucked in the SEC. We are not the same, peasant.
OU is about to get blasted. These goobers have no clue what’s coming.
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