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re: Teams Claiming More National Championships Than They Should (Updated OP)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:03 am to Tornado Alley
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:03 am to Tornado Alley
1960? I thought Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones won one. Maybe conference title only.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:03 am to MrAUTigers
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Hmmmmm, it seems funny you would start with 1942. The AP started their weekly poll in 1936.
Correct. My bad. I looked at the wiki page for the start year and it showed Notre Dame in 1942 but that was the first year AP 1 played AP 2
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:04 am to Korin
true that, i was typing it for baseball and threw basketball in with it. only school to have a natty in the big 3 sports either way.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:05 am to Dr Van Nostrand
arky has never won a wire service natty. they should have, like ole miss, but they havent. thats the breaks.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:07 am to RightHook
I'm not surprised so few gumps know what they are talking about. Still laugh at the 1925 rose bowl putting southern football on the map. 
It certainly did not.
BTW, bama was actually the 8th choice of the Rose Bowl in 1925,not 5th.
Sorry for the mistake.
It certainly did not.
BTW, bama was actually the 8th choice of the Rose Bowl in 1925,not 5th.
Sorry for the mistake.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:07 am to allin2010
Who the frick does auburn think they are fooling with this claimed and recognized bullshite?
Auburn with the semantics BS. How fricking cowardly.
Auburn with the semantics BS. How fricking cowardly.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:08 am to RightHook
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true that, i was typing it for baseball and threw basketball in with it. only school to claim a natty in the big 3 sports either way.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:09 am to RightHook
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arky has never won a wire service natty. they should have, like ole miss, but they havent. thats the breaks.
And LSU has never won a natty in basketball (since you brought it up). That's the breaks.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:11 am to PurpleandGoldmember
You've got to figure that the 1919 College Football Games had to be pretty salty.
You had a shite ton of WWI vets returning back to school and many were well versed in combat.
I don't have a problem with the 1919. Unbeated and unscored on is pretty impressive. Same could have been said for 1917.
All ancient history, but interesting to look at nonetheless.
You had a shite ton of WWI vets returning back to school and many were well versed in combat.
I don't have a problem with the 1919. Unbeated and unscored on is pretty impressive. Same could have been said for 1917.
All ancient history, but interesting to look at nonetheless.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:13 am to Korin
its pre 1936. arky doesnt have any pre 1936 nattys in football to claim if they wanted to. no other sec school can claim one in all 3 sports. lsu can. whats ur point? uf cant claim one in baseball if they wanted to, etc.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:24 am to RightHook
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:25 am to Korin
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3. Miami and Nebraska both got more selections. I have no idea where you got 19 from.
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Auburn (AL)
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
ARGH Power Ratings
Billingsley Report
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
DKC Ratings
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
James Howell
Jeff Self
Massy Ratings
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Quality Champions
Soren Sorensen
Sparks Achievement Ratings
Steve Eck
The Fleming System
Thomas Jech
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Miami (FL)
Associated Press
Bob Royce
Dunkel System
Football News
Football Writers Association of America
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
Patrick Premo
Sports Illustrated
The Sporting News
The State's National Champions
United Press International
USA Today/CNN
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:28 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
That's not the NCAA records book.
Edit: Oh lord, the CFDW?
Edit: Oh lord, the CFDW?
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:29 am to monsterballads
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lol, no. more like 10.
that's what ESPN says they have anyways.
and one could argue that it's closer to 7 or 8
ESPN only counts poll championships. They count 1964 (AP), and 1973 (UPI) for Bama that's not on your list.
National poll championships (1936–present)
Alabama (10) - 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012
That's not counting Bama's Rose Bowl Champions (1925, 1926, 1930, & 1934) that was played before the poll era.
I'll agree that 1941 should not be claimed.
But if you count other school's national championships before the poll era (1936), Bama's should be counted too.
Bama has 14 national championships.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:30 am to RightHook
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bama was the 3rd or so choice in 1925,
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8-0 Dartmouth, 7-0-2 Colgate, and 5-1-1 Princeton turned down invitations, and 7-1 Michigan, 5-3 Illinois, and 5-2-1 Yale appear to have rebuffed inquiries as well, so the Rose Bowl committee looked Southward, but first to Alabama's Southern Conference co-champion 9-0-1 Tulane. Unlike Alabama, Tulane had already established national relevance by tying Missouri Valley champion Missouri (6-1-1) and by going up to Chicago and beating 5-3 Northwestern 18-7 (Northwestern gave 7-1 Michigan their only loss). But Tulane also turned down the Rose Bowl, citing concern over the students being out of class for the long trip out West and back. The Rose Bowl bid thus fell to Alabama
Bama was the Rose Bowl's 8th choice in 1925. Mostly because they were only about the 13th best team in the country as no one they played was even a top 40 team and they barely won two games even against nobodies.
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Nothing of the kind ran in newspapers across the nation about Alabama in 1925 or 1926 because no one considered Alabama to be the national champion of 1925 at the time. Alabama 1925 was not a 1925 "national champion" until 1941, when the Helms Foundation selected them retroactively. This is a point Alabama football historians and bloggers fail to grasp. They like to say that the Rose Bowl was a "de facto" national championship game in the 1920s, which is silly, given that the Big 10, Notre Dame, and most major Eastern teams refused to play in it by 1925. Had there been an AP poll in 1925, neither Washington nor Alabama would have been ranked as one of the top 2 teams before the game-- more like #5 vs. #13. The Rose Bowl was just another game between 2 good teams
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:31 am to jatebe
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ESPN only counts poll championships. They count 1964 (AP), and 1973 (UPI) for Bama that's not on your list.
National poll championships (1936–present)
Alabama (10) - 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012
That's not counting Bama's Rose Bowl Champions (1925, 1926, 1930, & 1934) that was played before the poll era.
I'll agree that 1941 should not be claimed.
But if you count other school's national championships before the poll era (1936), Bama's should be counted too.
Bama has 14 national championships.
Certainly debatable.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:33 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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Florida - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (19996,2006,2008)
That's a bold claim by Florida. Claiming a NT 18000 years in advance. how much will the game have changed by then?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:34 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Put southern football on the map?
The Rose Bowl never wanted bama in the first place in all those games. And the Rose Bowl was never a de facto championship game as the best teams never played in it (or rarely did) prior to the end of WW II. Yet bama claims those years as national championship years?
quote:residents.
So how much did Alabama's win in the 1926 Rose Bowl "change the South"? Well, through the rest of the 1920s, 1926-1929, major Southern teams went 4-15 in significant games against the East and 3-16-1 against the Midwest. So needless to say, any change was purely psychological. Alabama fans point to the fact that Southern teams played in the Rose Bowl 13 times after 1926 as a sign of a change in respect for Southern football, but those teams were invited to play for the same reason Alabama was in the first place. Who else were they going to invite? As stated, by 1925, the Big 10, Notre Dame, and most major Eastern teams would not play post-season games. But once the Big 10 was willing to play there again after World War 2, they became permanent
The Rose Bowl never wanted bama in the first place in all those games. And the Rose Bowl was never a de facto championship game as the best teams never played in it (or rarely did) prior to the end of WW II. Yet bama claims those years as national championship years?
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:35 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:38 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Seriosly, don't let Bama get to you like that.
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