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re: Stoops' arrogance cost OU big time
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:59 pm to arwicklu
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:59 pm to arwicklu
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They should have gone for the TD at that point. They could have called something like a fade instead
Exactly...what was really dumb about that play call was that if the OU WR had somehow caught that ball it would have been short of the goal line and the clock would have run out.
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Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:01 am to givemeabeer
you're not going to beat uf settling for fgs
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:03 am to miledawg
It's not the points that matter here it's the momentum.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:07 am to offshoretrash
The thing with the first 4th down play is they can't just get stuck for a 2-3 yard loss. Going for it is only a good decision if the idea is if you fail they are on the 1 inch line. UF started on like the 3 or 4.
The second one was an OK call it is just that Bradford tried to force it and the idea that the WR still ran too short of a pattern like someone stated before.
The second one was an OK call it is just that Bradford tried to force it and the idea that the WR still ran too short of a pattern like someone stated before.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:11 am to DvlsAdvocat
I think Stoops knem his defense could not hold Florida off forever. He needed to score TDs to beat them. The problem with OU and the big 12 in general is that they do not play a physical style of football. It's because of all of the passing spread offenses. The offense is finesse and the defense does not develop a physical toughness practicing against it daily. In big games that always comes out. Bob Stoops is a defensive coach that is obsessed with flashy offense. Mike Stoops made them tough on defense.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 7:24 am to DvlsAdvocat
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Well, when you send in a play, you've "taken a stance" correct? I would have went for it both times. They don't let you sit on the sideline and philosophize the potential ramifications of your choice, and whether or not a tree falling in the woods makes a sound. I'd have made the same choices Stoops made.
Watching all that Texas Hold Em on ESPN might have something to do with it. The old time coaches like Georgia's Vince Dooley, tOSU Woody Hayes, Bama's Bear certainly would have kicked the FG's.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 7:26 am to givemeabeer
Over the past half decade Bobbie 'Hill' Stoops is 0-5 in the big BCS bowls. 
Really, he's a serious freaking joke.
Really, he's a serious freaking joke.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 7:44 am to SECBengal
Too bad Oklahoma didn't have Jacob Hester.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 7:54 am to ironsides
The 4th down try was the way to go, as others have explained. Now the call, that could be questioned. The bigger problem was giving up a big play to Fla after that.
The Int before the half was just a bad read, IMO. There was a man, singled up at the top of the field. I think I would have thrown a fade in that situation. Still, you had to try and get 7 there.
The long FG was questionable, mainly because the kid never kicked one over 42 yds all season. But, I'm sure the coaches knew what he was capable of.
Ok had every opportunity to win the game. They simply didn't get it done. Much like the play where the WR had the ball, double clutched it, and Fla gets the Int. Ok was that close to winning.
The Int before the half was just a bad read, IMO. There was a man, singled up at the top of the field. I think I would have thrown a fade in that situation. Still, you had to try and get 7 there.
The long FG was questionable, mainly because the kid never kicked one over 42 yds all season. But, I'm sure the coaches knew what he was capable of.
Ok had every opportunity to win the game. They simply didn't get it done. Much like the play where the WR had the ball, double clutched it, and Fla gets the Int. Ok was that close to winning.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:16 am to TenTex
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Stoops just got out coached again. He and Saban sure know how to roll over in big games.
no crap. I wonder what would happen if those two ever met in a big game? Neither can handle the big one! 
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:18 am to DvlsAdvocat
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I was watching with a buddy, who is a GREAT high school coach, and we both said "if you can't get a yard for a TD in the national championship game, then you don't deserve to win it"...
The most revealing aspect of this information that you just shared with us is that both of you sat there and sincerely believed that the high school coach had just articulated some profound and timeless nugget of Wisdom.
A perfect microcosm of the intellectual juggernaut that is the Bammer Nation.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:26 am to offshoretrash
quote:Absolutely. Then they would have only been beaten 24-20. Makes the defeat look much closer and that is what really matters in a game like that.
Stoops should have taken the points IMO.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:27 am to offshoretrash
Not going for the Field goal in the second quarter I thought was a bad call but the INT before half I would have done the samething with 10 seconds left.
Still both were judgement calls. I still love to see Stoops whinning on the sidelines again. He is the biggest douchbag in college football.
Still both were judgement calls. I still love to see Stoops whinning on the sidelines again. He is the biggest douchbag in college football.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:28 am to KLSU
I thought it was a good call both times. It just didn't work out
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:52 am to EofT
quote:Think.
I wonder what would happen if [Stoops and Saban] ever met in a big game?
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:19 am to tuck
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Absolutely. Then they would have only been beaten 24-20. Makes the defeat look much closer and that is what really matters in a game like that.
No one will ever know what the score would have been if they would have taken the points.
Failure in a game like this takes alot out of a team.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:22 am to rollthatback
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Les would have gone for it.
I absolutely disagree. Les takes chances when the downside is controllable, or when the game conditions dictate that it is the better option (such as against Florida in '07)(or when it doesn't matter (such as the fake punt vs. Georgia Tech or the Flynn to David fake FG against S.C.). In last night's game, in that circumstance, he would have kicked the FG. No question.
This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:24 am to uscpuke
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Big difference, we would have made it.
exactly
Neither of these teams really has a power back, or a true running game
the game was choppy to watch..
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:25 am to nycajun
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I absolutely disagree
I agree with you disagreeing
It drives me nuts when people think Les goes for it EVERY fourth down.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:28 am to DvlsAdvocat
Agreed, I had no problem with Stoops going for it. At the time they were pounding the Florida defensive line. I did not like the play call. I thought they should have called a time out and to come up with something that had a better chance. I also thought with 3rd and 1, they could have gone play action to the tight end but if they were going to keep running it then go right up the middle and not off tackle wide.
Other than that I think Stoops knew field goals weren't going to win the game and Florida being down by 6 is no pressure for Tebow and company.
Other than that I think Stoops knew field goals weren't going to win the game and Florida being down by 6 is no pressure for Tebow and company.
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