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re: Statistical Analysis Shows Alabama Gets Screwed By Holding Calls More Than Any Other Team
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:07 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:07 pm to JudgeHolden
The guy’s identity and my knowledge of it has no bearing on the stats he posted.
These numbers were run for the purpose of attempting to correlate DL strength to the frequency of holding calls against the opposing OLs. He found no correlation, but even if he had, it would be irrelevant to this thread since we are discussing the raw data, not the correlation or lack thereof.
He does, in fact, generally describe the algorithm that he used to pull the raw data from the ESPN spreadsheet. Did you even read the OP?
Is a Michigan fan: still says Alabama gets screwed even worse than Michigan, by a far clip.
You seem to be really struggling with some very simple concepts here.
These numbers were run for the purpose of attempting to correlate DL strength to the frequency of holding calls against the opposing OLs. He found no correlation, but even if he had, it would be irrelevant to this thread since we are discussing the raw data, not the correlation or lack thereof.
He does, in fact, generally describe the algorithm that he used to pull the raw data from the ESPN spreadsheet. Did you even read the OP?
Is a Michigan fan: still says Alabama gets screwed even worse than Michigan, by a far clip.
You seem to be really struggling with some very simple concepts here.
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Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:10 pm to JudgeHolden
He’s using ESPN API for plays and Football Outsiders for the DL strength.
This is about the closest thing to a conclusion he makes.
This is about the closest thing to a conclusion he makes.
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The top 5 most screwed programs were Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Utah, and Boise State. Notable lucky programs? There really aren't any - they aren't big names. Top 5 are Coastal Carolina, USF, Temple, Arizona, and Tulane. To your point - It seems the better defenses tend to get less calls, while the lesser defenses get more.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:11 pm to Bench McElroy
You might need to get a hobby.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:13 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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These numbers were run for the purpose of attempting to correlate DL strength to the frequency of holding calls against the opposing OLs.
And you have no fricking idea how.
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since we are discussing the raw data
Which he doesn’t present in any meaningful way.
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He does in fact generally describe the algorithm
By that you mean he calls it an “algorithm.”
You seem to be struggling with rigorous critical thinking. Do you even Kuhmo Tire?
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:20 pm to JudgeHolden
God dude, do you have some sort of brain injury? Read my post again. It doesn’t matter how he attempted to correlate DL strength to holding calls, because that’s not what we are discussing. And what on earth do you mean he didn’t present the data in a meaningful way? He took the time to make a very nicely presented graph out of it! His “algorithm” that you keep blathering about was simply to find every mention of a team’s name, or some permutation of a team’s name, associated with a holding call against one of that team’s opponents, and count it. That’s it. This isn’t rocket science. It is “count number of holding calls against a team’s opponents and divide that number by the total number of plays that team’s opponents ran.” This is simple, simple, grade school stuff.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:21 pm to JudgeHolden
You might be actually retarded. The way you make a correlation is literally just putting the two numbers on a graph and seeing what pattern it makes. There isn’t any kind of big hidden secret and the x axis doesn’t even necessarily mean anything.
The raw data (that we care about in this thread) is presented meaningfully in the y axis
He described searching through all the text of the plays in the database and accounting for differences in abbreviations as part of the algorithm.
The raw data (that we care about in this thread) is presented meaningfully in the y axis
He described searching through all the text of the plays in the database and accounting for differences in abbreviations as part of the algorithm.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:27 pm to TheTideMustRoll
I very carefully developed an algorithm to assign the penalty called, and who it was called on and drawn by, based on this field for all NCAA games involving an FBS team.
The algorithm is how he came up with the number you are using. Are you a native speaker of English?
The algorithm is how he came up with the number you are using. Are you a native speaker of English?
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:29 pm to Mechie17
Is the y axis derived from an algorithm?
Do you know what it is?
Do you know what it is?
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:37 pm to TheTideMustRoll
This uses an “algorithm” too.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:41 pm to JudgeHolden
I already laid out for you what this algorithm does in my post above, since you can’t figure it out for yourself, dumbass. But please, by all means, carry on telling yourself that your inability to understand simple concepts is proof that they aren’t true.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:46 pm to TheTideMustRoll
So he puts the numbers in the magic box . . . .
You have no frickin clue what biases are built in to the algorithm that defines the number you tout. You just blindly accept it because you like it.
Saying you already said something which was really nothing continues to be you saying . . . nothing.
Sorry you can’t think for yourself.
You have no frickin clue what biases are built in to the algorithm that defines the number you tout. You just blindly accept it because you like it.
Saying you already said something which was really nothing continues to be you saying . . . nothing.
Sorry you can’t think for yourself.
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Why don’t you do it? Since you’re one of the ones making the accusations that go against what the other numbers say.
OP is making the positive statement. It’s on the OP to fully prove his hypothesis before it is accepted as a theory.
Until he provides all evidence requested, he’s just making blind statements without solid proof of argument.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:56 pm to FairhopeTider
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Such as a pick play on the last play of the national championship game?
Didn’t Alabama run the exact same play the year before and not get called either?
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Do you legitimately believe Alabama has a below average line in all of CFB for most of the last few years?
You don’t have to be good when you are allowed to hold.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:01 am to AshLSU
You guys are the ones that have been saying for the past several years that Bama gets away with holding calls all the time moreso then pretty much any other team. Then you pick a few plays to try to showcase your argument. You guys are the one that have no actual numbers or data to back up your accusations.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:04 am to AshLSU
First of all I was referring to defensive lines. Since the OP is regarding team’s opponents getting called for offensive holding. Second Alabama’s OL probably gets away with holding just as much as any regular top team.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 12:05 am
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:06 am to 1BamaRTR
I don't watch nor care about your other games. Maybe you get screwed more in them, I wouldn't know. I do know that we've been screwed hard playing bama. I'm not saying we'd have won if the games were called right though, simply that there were some bullshite no calls. And refs excuse is "we decided to let them just play football" aka not do their jobs. Auburn is the team I hate for winning games w refs, not alabama.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:10 am to 1BamaRTR
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You guys are the one that have no actual numbers or data to back up your accusations.
I don’t need a thermometer to tell me the Arctic Ocean is cold AF, because I can see the icebergs floating in it.
You only have to see a few plays with three Bama guys holding (and I mean grabbing shirts) and one blocking in the back with no flag before you know there is an issue.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:15 am to JudgeHolden
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You only have to see a few plays with three Bama guys holding (and I mean grabbing shirts) and one blocking in the back with no flag before you know there is an issue
Have you ever considered that you are only looking at the plays where Bama commits a penalty but never pay attention when LSU or another Bama opponent does against Bama?
Confirmation bias is such a thing. I might be wrong about this topic, but you and many other fans are completely dismissing any notion that this may be the issue.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 12:18 am
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:26 am to 1BamaRTR
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