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re: South Carolina fans - How long does Shane Beamer get?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:17 am to panhandlebama
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:17 am to panhandlebama
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If he can consistently go 7-5 will that be enough?
Let's see if he can manage that before wondering if it's sufficient.
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:21 am to Lonnie Utah
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100% get where you are coming from, but the State of SC doesn't have the demographics to allow that to happen. We have to reach out to the border areas of GA, NC and FLA to be successful.
Gotta rethink success, then. This program has not, can not, and never will compete with major programs. Its best play is to be the thorn in the side that no one wants to visit, and circles as a dangerous game on the schedule.
Lock down the state as best as possible, which Beamer did as recruiting coordinator. Get some leftovers from FL, GA, and NC on occasion. But the DNA of the program has to be SC kids, who grew up wanting to play for their state. Clemson has really started to move their recruiting efforts out of state, so there's opportunity to solidify the state moving forward.
I don't like hard truth any better than the next guy, but SC trying to be like UTK and recruit nationwide is absolutely retarded.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:22 am to panhandlebama
It depends on how many times he can have non-football student athletes on the field to blame for blowout losses.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:24 am to RoyalAir
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Lock down the state as best as possible, which Beamer did as recruiting coordinator. Get some leftovers from FL, GA, and NC on occasion. But the DNA of the program has to be SC kids, who grew up wanting to play for their state. Clemson has really started to move their recruiting efforts out of state, so there's opportunity to solidify the state moving forward.
Wholeheartedly agree with this.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:33 am to multicampus
Once they were washed up.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:34 am to Jack Daniel
6-14 months if he doesnt get to 6 wins.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:55 am to meansonny
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That needs to be done on the lines of scrimmage. He definitely gets a few more years. But without improvement in the trenches, I don't know if South Carolina will get him 5 years
luckily we have recruited hard on the lines. So I do believe he knows the weaknesses, and knows this years team isnt going to compete. Its about keeping the fans interested and buying time
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:58 am to RoyalAir
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Gotta rethink success, then. This program has not, can not, and never will compete with major programs
That seems like a loser's mentality. Clemson is in the same state and they built a national power. It CAN be done. South Carolina has a good fanbase. If Spurrier cared about recruiting he would have won a championship there.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:03 am to armtackledawg
Well he is dealing w/ perennial loser Will Muschamp's roster, which is a major problem. Speaking of loser Will Muschamp, who was the idiot at SC that hired him? Oh yeah, dumbass Ray Tanner. The Ray Tanner firing will come first, and then Beamer will have exactly one year to demonstrate significant improvement or get fired after that. There is no reason USC can't be at least decent especially since Daboo is trending down.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:27 am to GamecockUltimate
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luckily we have recruited hard on the lines
Muschamp? Beamer? Or both?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:28 am to panhandlebama
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That seems like a loser's mentality. Clemson is in the same state and they built a national power. It CAN be done.
It's Jekyll and Hyde as hell. If SC fans demand more, and point to the success of our neighbors, we're told that we're just SC, and can never expect more. If we try to temper expectations, it's a loser's mentality. It's confusing as hell, and it creates some serious issues.
As for Spurrier and a championship, he made some major mistakes on the coaching staff once Beamer and Ellis Johnson left. He also didn't realize a lot of the talent that he had- the 2010 team was littered with a ton of NFL talent.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:30 am to meansonny
Beamer.
Muschamp's last two cycles of trench recruits haven't panned out. Lotta mediocrity, and not much fire in the belly.
Muschamp's last two cycles of trench recruits haven't panned out. Lotta mediocrity, and not much fire in the belly.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:31 am to meansonny
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Beamer?
Beamer. This years class. 3 4 stars on the OL and 4 on the DL, and a few 3 star O lineman.
he knows our lines are just not good and in the SEC you have to win in the trenches. I want to believe he saw how getting good O and D lines is what helped spurrier go from 7 wins to 11 wins.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:34 am to Lonnie Utah
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So I won't totally disagree with you, but when the game is that far out of hand, I'm not faulting anyone on effort. Lance Armstrong once said about the Tour de France (and I'm paraphrasing) "It's not the energy you burn during the race that wins the Tour. It's the energy you save". Another favorite saying of mins is "It's better to retire than expire." Meaning somedays you just know your whipped and it's best to move on to the next game/match/race. What did UGA's players do in the 2012 game when it got lopsided? They rolled over. It's the mental aspect of sport. It happens sometimes
Then South Carolina will never be better than average.
"The eye in the sky never lies".
Each position is putting out film on each snap. Each snap needs to hold each player to a standard..
When lack of depth or recruiting leaves poor effort unaccountable, then the coaching staff needs to find other ways to "discipline".
If the walkon has more effort than the scholarship athlete, there is a problem.
If there is no accountability to the scholarship athlete, then there is a coaching/culture problem. And the gamecocks are wasting time with the wrong staff.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:34 am to panhandlebama
quote:not with his current OC, no.
it's pretty obvious he's not going to get SC to a championship level.
quote:if the blood feud is one of the 7 wins - maybe.
If he can consistently go 7-5 will that be enough?
quote:you spelled *a-hole* wrong.
Dabo
quote:start with the easy one - don't perennially be the worst scoring offense in the SEC. Beamer's current OC is about to go 2 for 2 in that regard. (Vanderbilt aside - who's actually 5th so far this year)
So what are the expectations at South Carolina?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:43 am to 1801
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Dabo
you spelled *a-hole* wrong.
Underrated comment....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:45 am to meansonny
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When lack of depth or recruiting leaves poor effort unaccountable, then the coaching staff needs to find other ways to "discipline".
If the walkon has more effort than the scholarship athlete, there is a problem.
Not everyone can be UGA. I'd be more than willing to bet that some of your walk-on's are more talented than our 2nd - 3rd stringers...
And thinking about it more, that comment pi$$3$ me off. It's real easy to say crap like that as the #1 team in the nation. Get outta here. You weren't at Beamer's after game presser last week were you? Beamer Pi$$3D at his presser
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 9:50 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:48 am to Lonnie Utah
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I 100% get where you are coming from, but the State of SC doesn't have the demographics to allow that to happen. We have to reach out to the border areas of GA, NC and FLA to be successful.
You'd think on a per capita basis, SC would be a pretty good recruiting state. And I've always felt that the SEC/ACC had a huge advantage in that the schools in that area have lots of prospects who are actually out of state but are not precluded by any real distance factor for the recruit.
Certainly there is a lot of competition for all those guys from other schools but there are a lot of prospects as well.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:52 am to Lonnie Utah
I think we are talking past one another.
It is more about effort (as exampled by the 185 pound walk on running back throwing a defender to the ground violently with one hand).
Did you see the face on the UGA defensive back who gave up the score? David Daniel-Sisavanh. You can tell that it really mattered to him.
The opponent isn't the team on the other sideline. The toughest opponent is in the mirror. I firmly believe that.
It is more about effort (as exampled by the 185 pound walk on running back throwing a defender to the ground violently with one hand).
Did you see the face on the UGA defensive back who gave up the score? David Daniel-Sisavanh. You can tell that it really mattered to him.
The opponent isn't the team on the other sideline. The toughest opponent is in the mirror. I firmly believe that.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:54 am to meansonny
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It is more about effort (as exampled by the 185 pound walk on running back throwing a defender to the ground violently with one hand).
Did you see the face on the UGA defensive back who gave up the score? David Daniel-Sisavanh. You can tell that it really mattered to him.
The opponent isn't the team on the other sideline. The toughest opponent is in the mirror. I firmly believe that.
its easier to matter to you when youre up 45 and finally getting your shot to play in the game vs the team down 45.
It doesnt matter if youre SC or UGA, those players are all working incredibly hard all spring, summer, fall. Getting whipped is demoralizing.
Effort generally hasnt been an issue under Beamer. I agree it was at times in that game, but again...it was a rout
Hell Auburn beat the crap out of us in like 06 or 07 with Spurrier. There was some quit that day, but it didnt mean those guys werent giving effort at practice or the next games.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 9:57 am
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