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re: So this month marks 15 years since the expansion crap started…
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:56 pm to Landmass
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:56 pm to Landmass
They get off easy, but the Big10 is a huge bad guy here. Delaney was a big part of killing the Pac12. He lobbied hard to get everyone to “calm down” after teams fled the Big12 and Texas/OU renewed interest in the Pac12.
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:57 pm to 1801
quote:My baw.
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:17 pm to RollTide1987
Schools jumping leagues have existed as long as the sport has.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:27 pm to OklahomaLurker
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Schools jumping leagues have existed as long as the sport has.
But the idea of doing it for multiple billion dollars in television revenue is relatively new.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:37 pm to DalenSA
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15 years and Aggy still hasn't had an SEC Championship appearance in football? Oof
In the 15 years since A&M joined the SEC, 7 other SEC schools have not had a Championship appearance including Ole Miss, State,Vandy, SC, Kentucky, Arkansas or Tennessee.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:47 pm to RollTide1987
Yes and no. The OU lawsuit against the NCAA opened the door for schools/conferences to negotiate their own deals. That was 84. That drove the 92 SEC expansion. And the CFA ended in 97. And that drove further realignment. Every move since has been about money + consolidation.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:20 pm to CaliHorn
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The OU lawsuit against the NCAA opened the door for schools/conferences to negotiate their own deals.
Oh, yeah. That's where the genesis of all of this definitely lies. However, the proverbial floodgates opened in 2010-11 when Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M left the Big 12 for different pastures.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:26 pm to RollTide1987
Which I don’t blame any of them for. That Big12 tv deal was a disaster. The long term implications of staying put would have been huge. ESPN cleaned things up enough for Texas to keep us from the Pac10. But even then it wouldn’t work. Hence, where we are now.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:34 pm to StansberryRules
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Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State had to die so that Oregon vs Rutgers could live.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:59 pm to lsufball19
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It started a lot longer ago than 15 years ago
in 1992, we added USC and Arkansas
in 1996, the Big 8 absorbed Texas, A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech to form the Big 12
In 2004, Miami, BC, and Va Tech left the Big East for the ACC, ending the Big East's time as a power conference
I have to disagree a tiny bit. I mean conferences have been coming and going since the start, but back in 1992 it was still in the Pre-BCS era, so the reason USC and Arkansas were added was to help the SEC win national championships by having the SECCG.
It was also right after the Bowl Alliance started, so being in the top2 come bowl season was more important.
It was quite a struggle against the Pac12, the Big10 and the Rose Bowl.
I don't think the moves were motivated by money like they are today. Texas A&M and Missouri were nothing more than revenue based on subscriptions at the time. Grab this market, grab that market.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 6:32 pm to 1801
You sure about some of those schools?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:02 pm to RollTide1987
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15 years
I’d argue this all started much, much earlier.
Penn State joined the Big 10 in 1991.
The SEC as always took it up a notch by adding a conference title game and adding Arkansas and South Carolina.
That forced other conferences to try to get to 12 in order to match the revenue. Hence the poorly constructed Big 12. The ACC then destroyed the old Big East and the Big 10 raided Nebraska.
I hate to say it but the roots of all this madness is the SEC adding a conference title game and Arky and South Carolina.
The Big 10 flexing with adding Penn State might have contributed but the SEC is the one who took it to the next level.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:09 pm to DownOnWashington
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People from Arizona, Utah, Cincy, etc. don’t view Saturday’s the same way. Their towns dont shutdown for football games, etc.
True. The real losers in all this are the fans of teams who are passionate but root for a school with little value.
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
And of course Clemson and Florida State who do offer more value but obviously not enough.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:20 pm to AUTiger789
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True. The real losers in all this are the fans of teams who are passionate but root for a school with little value. Oklahoma State West Virginia Virginia Tech And of course Clemson and Florida State who do offer more value but obviously not enough.
Completely agree. It’s a weird time as an OSU fan, I really don’t know where we will be in 5 years. And I hate the current Big 12 so it’s hard to get excited about the direction of college athletics.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:51 pm to RedDirtPoke
I’m okay where things are for Texas, but together with a package of schools including OSU to the Pac12 would have been fine by me. OSU was one new rivalry I liked.
I really wonder if we’re not heading for another split with two levels and two playoffs/championships.
I really wonder if we’re not heading for another split with two levels and two playoffs/championships.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:18 am to RollTide1987
Anybody else think the XII would be the 1st conference gone?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:20 am to AUTiger789
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True. The real losers in all this are the fans of teams who are passionate but root for a school with little value. Oklahoma State West Virginia Virginia Tech
VT???
I don’t know about the school overall, but can’t argue about their fans love of fb.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:50 am to lsufball19
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In 2004, Miami, BC, and Va Tech left the Big East for the ACC, ending the Big East's time as a power conference
To me, this move is what started the beginning of the end.
I believe USCe was an independent and Arkansas was a member of the South West Conference. Their move made sense as both schools are culturally southern and bordered existing SEC schools.
The Texas schools joining the Big 8 to form the Big 12 made logistical, geographic, and historical sense.
The ACC robbing the top talent of the Big East and essentially killing that conference left us with an odd number of power conferences and distorting bowl tie-ins. frick you ACC
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:02 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Acc should have merged with big east. Let duke bc wake forest join the bball only schools then have a true Atlantic coast conference. That way you keep the already existing acc and big east rivals. Who knows maybe the acc poaches Penn st instead of big poaching Maryland if they went this route. Either way they should have split it old big east plus vs acc. Unfortunately unc called the shots and supposedly they were disgusted with the idea of being in a division with fsu and Clem. Look at how hard they screwed nc state. Paired them with fsu Clem and the worst recruiting areas of the acc Syracuse and bc. Meanwhile unc avoids fsu/clem and gets road trips to Pitt hotlanta and Miami(all football hotbeds).
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:52 pm to Buster83
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In the 15 years since A&M joined the SEC, 7 other SEC schools have not had a Championship appearance including Ole Miss, State,Vandy, SC, Kentucky, Arkansas or Tennessee.
Arkansas is snakebit. We had a team under Petrino that could have potentially won the conference but wound up with 2 losses. The losses were to bama and lsu who ultimately played for the natty against one another. shite happens……to us.
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