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So Minnesota players are threatening a boycott for their bowl game vs Wash St ..

Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:35 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:35 pm
I guess the pick'em will have to be adjusted accordingly but this story is weird as hell.

The snowflakes have demands ...

https://deadspin.com/report-minnesota-football-players-plan-to-boycott-bowl-1790167029

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A few days after 10 Minnesota Golden Gophers football players were suspended from the team’s upcoming trip to the Holiday Bowl, the rest of the team has responded. The Star Tribune reported this afternoon that the team will threaten to boycott the game in protest of the suspensions. The players’ “demands” have not been made public, but they likely concern the reinstatement of all or some of the players:

The Gophers had a players-only meeting Thursday and later brought in head coach Tracy Claeys to inform him of their plans, sources said. According to two parents of players, all of the team’s players are planning a united announcement Thursday evening to say they will boycott the Holiday Bowl if “their demands are not met” — a reference to their disagreement with the decision to suspend the 10 players.
The report was also confirmed by USA Today’s Nicole Auerbach, who said that the team plans to announce the boycott tonight. The players’ lawyer told the Tribune that five of his clients could be expelled and another four face year-long suspensions. Four of the players involved missed three home games this season due to a restraining order filed by a victim of an alleged sexual assault. They were allowed to play road games, and once the restraining order expired, they played at home as well.


However, an investigation by the University of Minnesota’s Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action office resulted in the fresh wave of suspensions, with Ray Buford, Carlton Djam, Seth Green, KiAnte Hardin, Dior Johnson, Tamarion Johnson, Kobe McCrary, Antonio Shenault, Antoine Winfield Jr., and Mark Williams all suspended for at least the Holiday Bowl.

The victim says that a series of Minnesota football players raped her the night after the Gophers’ first game of the season, starting with Carlton Djam.

After Djam, others followed. She told police she saw a line of men waiting to take turns.

“I was removing myself from my mind and my body to help myself from the pain and experience going on,” she testified.

She estimated there were at least a dozen men. “I was shoving people off of me,” she testified. “They kept ignoring my pleas for help. Anything I said they laughed. They tried to cheer people on.”
She then called her sister and mother, who advised her to go the hospital. Shortly after, she called the police and they began an investigation. However, Djam insisted that it was consensual, and he showed the court 90 seconds worth of videos from that night which apparently convinced a police investigator that the alleged victim was “lucid” and “fully conscious.” Criminal charges were never filed in the case, and the Hennepin County Attorney’s office declined to prosecute.

We’ll update this post when the supposed boycott announcement is made.

Update, 7:35 p.m. EST: Right after the publication of this post, the Minnesota football team gathered and a player read a statement demanding a reversal of the suspensions, a private meeting with university officials, and immunity from retaliation against players or coaches. He urged the Holiday Bowl committee to be “patient” and said that he wanted the chance to “make our program great again.”

Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15272 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:37 pm to
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Antoine Winfield Jr.


Watched him play twice in high school for The Woodlands.

His former NFL dad is calling for similar demands
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:44 pm to
Definitely sec related. You picked the right board
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
2671 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:52 pm to
LINK

The school can punish students if they break the code of conduct. They do not have to be guilty in a court of law. Enough players have gang banged this girl and admitted to it.
She put herself in a bad spot and some players decided to run a train on her. Even if the court system wants no part of it the school can still uphold their own code of conduct and decide if the players acted in a moral way. The law has nothing to do with morality.
Sounds like the players want a team vote.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:59 pm to
If the players feel like 10 of their teammates are being railroaded unfairly, they have a right to express that.

Universities should not suspend or punish layers purely on ACCUSATIONS anyway.

If they did something wrong, proven, then kick em off the team, send em to jail, etc.

But before then don't just suspend them to be PC.
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
2671 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:09 am to
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If they did something wrong


Depends on what you think is wrong. They have video of some of it. Tweets, pictures.....

If they had laid down 20 dollars each they could at least say she was a prostitute. Read the link. She wanted some but got much more than she wanted.

Maybe not prosecute-able, but not what you want your players doing to someones sister or daughter. Especially videoing some of it. Then erasing the worst parts.

Some schools do not want to be like Baylor....
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 12:14 am
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:10 am to
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If they did something wrong, proven, then kick em off the team, send em to jail, etc.



It could be PROVEN that they sexually harassed the girl afterwards, even if the sex was consensual and the rape allegations are falsified. Sexual harassment would be grounds for suspension but probably not dismissal from the team or school. Or there could be other team rules that were violated in relation to the happenings of that night that were divulged by players during investigation into the sexual assault case.
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
2671 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:16 am to
This didn't just happen yesterday. Much has come to light that caused the school to act this way.

It's not unusual for teammates to take up for one another. Even if a wrong has occurred.

and to tie it in with the SEC think of the Missouri hunger strike.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 12:20 am
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5470 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:32 am to
The girl's story in the police reports that were released has a ring of truth to it.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 12:32 am
Posted by cave canem
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:37 am to
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If they did something wrong,


Are you commenting without knowing WTF you are talking about or are you really this big a piece of shite?

Just curious
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 12:59 am to
The players showed cops video that led the cops to believe the incident was consensual and no crime had been committed.

Probably a pretty significant video if they thought could determine that.

Until you've seen that video, or at least heard what its contents are, you can't really say they did anything wrong.

You may find a gangbang unsavory or immoral, but if the girl agreed to it, nothing wrong was done.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 7:51 am to
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The school can punish students if they break the code of conduct. They do not have to be guilty in a court of law. Enough players have gang banged this girl and admitted to it. She put herself in a bad spot and some players decided to run a train on her. Even if the court system wants no part of it the school can still uphold their own code of conduct and decide if the players acted in a moral way. The law has nothing to do with morality. Sounds like the players want a team vote.


And the opposite of that is true too. The players have every right to refuse to play if they are unhappy about the treatment they are receiving. Not saying a agree or disagree with their reason for protesting, just saying they have every right to do so.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26946 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 7:54 am to
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You may find a gangbang unsavory or immoral, but if the girl agreed to it, nothing wrong was done.


Yeah, and that doesn't mean you have to have them representing your organization, either. Or are you so fricking stupid as to believe that administrators of an organization are required to commit PR suicide and keep these dumbasses around?
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 8:09 am to
And the University has every right not to renew any scholarships for anyone on the football team.

College football is a cancer now. Watching that video of the Oklahoma thug...

Football isn't worth it. Minnesota had the Nelson case a few years ago. School after school, everywhere in the country.

And for what? Most teams, including a lot of P5 schools lose money on football.

The University of Chicago was right. Actually screw all college sports. I think this may be the only country in the world where places of higher education run development leagues for pro sports.

The universities will be just fine if athletics go away. In the end they are there to educate and advance knowledge.

You know I read a comment on a board unrelated to football theorizing that Bob Stoops could be sued in a Civil Court for this. Not sure that is an option at this point, but the argument goes like this:

If Bob Stoops hadn't brought Mixon to Oklahoma that incident never would have happened. You could argue that anyone could have done it. But if you looked at the history of the kind of players he brings in, how often incidents like this occur...

Seems to me you have a case.

Football is entertainment nothing more. It is not a revenue producer for any community that has a school with a team, barring ESPN money in some form (and that is another kettle of fine fish). All it does is take money that an attending fan might have spent on something else, instead of spending attending a game.

Now obviously a very few teams break that paradigm. But not many.

Revenue neutral if looked at as a black box, and actually detrimental to the community asides from it's entertainment value.

And I'm not entertained anymore.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26946 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 8:59 am to
This mess started with you Missouri. Minnesota players saw Missouri players boycott with absolutely no consequences.

Every single Minnesota player who boycotted practice should immediately lose their scholarship.

You want to fix this problem of teams boycotting? Revoke every scholarship immediately, and this will be the last boycott you ever hear of.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 9:10 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26946 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:07 am to
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You know I read a comment on a board unrelated to football theorizing that Bob Stoops could be sued in a Civil Court for this. Not sure that is an option at this point, but the argument goes like this:

If Bob Stoops hadn't brought Mixon to Oklahoma that incident never would have happened.


So some anonymous dumbass who's watched a few Law and Order episodes is worth quoting as a legal expert now?

You don't have to have that many brain cells to know that the only way Stoops could be liable is if the player in question had a record that was known. That's one thing that got Briles...he took a player who has a previous sexual assault on his history and he knew about it.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 9:10 am
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
6023 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:27 am to
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Minnesota


quote:

Golden Gophers


I still refuse to believe this is a real team.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70872 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:30 am to
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The snowflakes have demands ...


Everything is political with you eh?
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:33 am to
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I still refuse to believe this is a real team.


They beat Bama 20- 16 in the 2004 Music City Bowl. I believe they are 1-0 vs Bama.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 9:34 am
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18149 posts
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:36 am to
She did a threesome that was totally consensual, there is video and she was able to give consent. Then she had sex with more and more players and then felt bad.

Title IX goes too far. The school has no choice but to suspend. The threshold of proof is VERY low.

Auburn had a Freshman TE who had sex with a sorority slut, she got mad, he lost his scholarship even though it was consensual at the time because she filed a title IX lawsuit.

Hopefully the regulations (impact of law) will be clarified when the new administration is in place.
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