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"SMU Style Recruiting" In the SEC?
Posted on 12/13/10 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 12/13/10 at 11:58 pm
Watching Pony Excess. This is unreal. Has there ever been this type of culture in the SEC? Have SEC schools gotten more sophisticated, or does it just not happen anymore?
Why would we think that this kind of thing ended? I remember when the SMU story broke when I was a kid and the arrogance involved. But, seeing the documentary now makes me wonder if this is just going on everywhere still like it did at SMU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, etc.
How prevalent is this today?
Why would we think that this kind of thing ended? I remember when the SMU story broke when I was a kid and the arrogance involved. But, seeing the documentary now makes me wonder if this is just going on everywhere still like it did at SMU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, etc.
How prevalent is this today?
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Posted on 12/13/10 at 11:59 pm to AlaTiger
You can't be fricking serious.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 12:00 am to oklahogjr
Too easy
Posted on 12/14/10 at 12:06 am to oklahogjr
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You can't be fricking serious.
Ok. There's the Auburn situation, obviously. I've been all over that.
I'm talking beyond that. I actually didn't even want to bring up Cam and the situation at Auburn because I didn't want the thread to get anchored.
But, I'm talking about in recruiting overall. How much of this is happening and is just being swept under the rug? Apart from Auburn, are most schools pretty clean or is it just happening and everyone is turning a blind eye? I've got opinions, but am wondering what fans of other SEC schools are seeing.
I remember Miss. St. in the 90's under Jackie Sherrill and they were fudging on hours worked for offseason jobs and were paying players that way. How else is this happening?
Posted on 12/14/10 at 12:11 am to AlaTiger
Head meet sand
Posted on 12/14/10 at 12:25 am to AlaTiger
saying this has been hashed rehashed and discussed into the the ground would be an understatement, just use the search function.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 12:41 am to AlaTiger
It is not happening to the magnitude that was happening back then. The playing field is just too large for that type of thing to go on in several schools like was happening in the SWC at that time.
I do not believe the "Death Penalty will ever be used again UNLESS there is a school that just absolutely refuses to adhere to the rules of their Conference and the NCAA. Now I will say this and the reason the Death Penalty will never be used again and that is the NCAA can use the SACS to hace a schools Accredidation removed ineffect forcing the school to stop all games imediately but not shuting down the program.
That way the school can spend the time getting their things inorder to have the Accredidation reinstated and therefore the following year rejoin a Conference if the they had to leave would allow them back in to inter another Conference and start playing. Totaly different than when SMU had to completely stop all things to do with their Football program. JMHO! and something to think about for a school that is contemplating taking on the NCAA and not abiding by the rules that all the schools have tp adhere to.
I do not believe the "Death Penalty will ever be used again UNLESS there is a school that just absolutely refuses to adhere to the rules of their Conference and the NCAA. Now I will say this and the reason the Death Penalty will never be used again and that is the NCAA can use the SACS to hace a schools Accredidation removed ineffect forcing the school to stop all games imediately but not shuting down the program.
That way the school can spend the time getting their things inorder to have the Accredidation reinstated and therefore the following year rejoin a Conference if the they had to leave would allow them back in to inter another Conference and start playing. Totaly different than when SMU had to completely stop all things to do with their Football program. JMHO! and something to think about for a school that is contemplating taking on the NCAA and not abiding by the rules that all the schools have tp adhere to.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 5:06 am to AlaTiger
nothing on that scale cheating in football still happens but nothing like the 70s and 80s. the only thing i can think of that comes close is basketball as that entire sport needs to be cleaned out but nike makes too much money.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 6:12 am to rangers911
It's not confined to the SEC, but AAU basketball leagues are about as dirty as you can get. I have refereed these games for 5 years, and they get away with stuff the mob would not dream of.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 7:29 am to USMC DAWG
Look at the payouts for the bowls now compared to the 70's and 80's.
The biggest difference now is that people like Slive are openly complicit.
The biggest difference now is that people like Slive are openly complicit.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 7:58 am to UncleFestersLegs
Slive took over in 2002. During his reign the SEC has become the most dominating organization in CFB.
It is a shame that the SEC is starting to be viewed as the dirtiest organization also.
It is a shame that the SEC is starting to be viewed as the dirtiest organization also.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:04 am to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
While I don't advocate giving these athletes hundreds of thousands of dollars, I don't see what the big deal would be in giving them living money. I know they get a free education, free tutors, etc., but seriously, schools all over the country are making Millions off of these guys.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:07 am to AlaTiger
This is my take on it. Go to most any school in the SEC (or outside of the SEC for that matter) and look at the superstar players in football or basketball. What kind of car are they driving? I know the rationalization for them driving a shiney new whatever is that "his mom bought that with the money she had saved for his college and he is on scholarship..." but really how many of these kids that come from an inner city slum and have a mom who may at best be cleaning office buildings at night or working at McDonalds is goign to have saved enough in a college fund for her kid for him to be riding in a top of the line Infinity or something?
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:16 am to michaeldwde
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While I don't advocate giving these athletes hundreds of thousands of dollars, I don't see what the big deal would be in giving them living money. I know they get a free education, free tutors, etc., but seriously, schools all over the country are making Millions off of these guys.
+10000
This happens at almost every school in the nation, whether it's public or not. SMU got caught because they were in Dallas, the biggest city in Texas, the HQ of the SWC, etc... Dallas had boosters from UT, aTm, Baylor, etc. and all their schools were doing it, but guess who got caught?
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:18 am to PJinAtl
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This is my take on it. Go to most any school in the SEC (or outside of the SEC for that matter) and look at the superstar players in football or basketball. What kind of car are they driving? I know the rationalization for them driving a shiney new whatever is that "his mom bought that with the money she had saved for his college and he is on scholarship..." but really how many of these kids that come from an inner city slum and have a mom who may at best be cleaning office buildings at night or working at McDonalds is goign to have saved enough in a college fund for her kid for him to be riding in a top of the line Infinity or something?
Agree. I think kids still get paid. I thought most SEC schools had learned their lesson about turning each other in. I remember a certain closed door meeting to discuss this down in Destin roughly 7 or so years ago. Thing is when one school turns another in, the school that gets in trouble wants revenge and often gets it. The most obvious case was when bama helped ramsey to bring down Dye at AU, and AU got infuriated and fricked bama up just a couple of years later by getting bama put on probation through Jelks.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:19 am to AlaTiger
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I remember Miss. St. in the 90's under Jackie Sherrill and they were fudging on hours worked for offseason jobs and were paying players that way. How else is this happening?
I remember a big time b-ball recruit in the late 90's moved into the apartment complex where I was living. Moved in driving a hooptie, two days later, he was driving a brand new extended cab truck. Also, I was always a big fan of athletic dorms, but since the NCAA did away with those, it seems to me that possibly made it easier to put cash into players pockets.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:20 am to AlaTiger
That show was awesome. How hilarious was it that they hid nothing and seemed completely proud of it all? That one booster looked like the cat that swallowed the canary.
Reminds me of Cam Newton's face everytime I see it. Ugh.
Reminds me of Cam Newton's face everytime I see it. Ugh.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:22 am to D500MAG
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the SEC is starting to be viewed as the dirtiest organization also.
The SEC has been viewed this way for DECADES. Slive came in with the stated goal and intention to clean up the SEC as half the teams in the SEC were on probation when he arrived. The league, with the exception of Bama who stays on probation, has been relatively probation free since Slive took over and most schools probation ended.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:28 am to michaeldwde
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michaeldwde
That would be the fastest way for most programs to go bankrupt.
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