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Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:26 am to Grim
people really need to clam their tits over this whole notre dame thing. For starters, no...whatever they do this postseason should have zero bearing whatsoever on future seasons. That's ridiculous to even think.
Second, it should (and to this point has been, so kudos) about most deserving/best resume instead of the super subjective "best team". Bama got in last year over OSU because they had less losses and a better resume. OSU went 4 years ago over another big 10 team becuase they had less losses and arguably a better resume. OU got in this year over OSU because they have a better resume.
I think ND would/will get whooped by the other 3 playoff teams and I think UGA would shellack them as well. But their resume has earned them a spot.
If someone came to you in the summer and said "hey, ND plays Michigan, Stanford, VT, FSU, and USC this year adn goes undefeated" you'd probably say oh yeah they're a shoo in for the playoffs. Granted, some of those teams were way down than expected but some (like syracuse) were better as well. If you're going to try to discredit ND's schedule why did we let clemson in? Their schedule is just as bad and ND has by far a better win than them.
all this boils down to is people being upset that notre dame is in the playoffs and is going to get obliterated, but I mean you can't leave them out based on the season they had.
Second, it should (and to this point has been, so kudos) about most deserving/best resume instead of the super subjective "best team". Bama got in last year over OSU because they had less losses and a better resume. OSU went 4 years ago over another big 10 team becuase they had less losses and arguably a better resume. OU got in this year over OSU because they have a better resume.
I think ND would/will get whooped by the other 3 playoff teams and I think UGA would shellack them as well. But their resume has earned them a spot.
If someone came to you in the summer and said "hey, ND plays Michigan, Stanford, VT, FSU, and USC this year adn goes undefeated" you'd probably say oh yeah they're a shoo in for the playoffs. Granted, some of those teams were way down than expected but some (like syracuse) were better as well. If you're going to try to discredit ND's schedule why did we let clemson in? Their schedule is just as bad and ND has by far a better win than them.
all this boils down to is people being upset that notre dame is in the playoffs and is going to get obliterated, but I mean you can't leave them out based on the season they had.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:29 am to WG_Dawg
I agree with you about their schedule, but they should play in the ACCCG
We could have gotten clemson vs ND instead of clemson/Pitt.
We could have gotten clemson vs ND instead of clemson/Pitt.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:30 am to CNB
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I agree with you about their schedule, but they should play in the ACCCG
that's one intriguing factor that I don't hate. Not sure how it would work since they aren't technically in one of the divisions but I would like to see some kind of arrangement that makes them play in it.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:32 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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The 5 teams with winning records - Stanford 8-4; Pitt 7-6; N'Western 8-5; Syracuse 9-3; and Mich 10-2 (who had 62 points hung on them by Ohio St)
Who also let Michigan put up a 39-spot on them.
Michigan didn't score an offensive touchdown against ND until 1:45 left in the 4th quarter.
Oh yea, and that was with ND's back up QB and RB.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:33 am to Grim
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When they get their asses kicked on the big stage again
ND is a joke.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:47 am to TGFN57
ND’s schedule was as good or better than the other three teams in the playoff. Also as good as Ohio St, UGA or anybody else close to the top.
Plus LSU has no right denigrate ND being that you have lost to them the last two times you have played them. Obviously they are pretty good or either LSU is just a terrible team.
It is pretty easy to discern that they earned a slot in the playoffs this year. They will not get destroyed by Clemson. In fact, I will not be surprised if the win the game outright.
Plus LSU has no right denigrate ND being that you have lost to them the last two times you have played them. Obviously they are pretty good or either LSU is just a terrible team.
It is pretty easy to discern that they earned a slot in the playoffs this year. They will not get destroyed by Clemson. In fact, I will not be surprised if the win the game outright.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:57 am to East Coast Band
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Personally, I think they can really give Clemson a game and i would not be surprised to see them pull it out.
However, if they get blown out, there really does need to be a conversation about the ND bias in rankings.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:04 am to Grim
The ACC snuck in 2 teams this year by gaming the system.
Plus - one of them got a bye week.
In all seriousness - If the playoff was expanded to 6 I don’t think it would be as big of an issue, but the fact there is only 4 spots and you allow an independent to grab one that plays 1 less game is a middle finger to the power 5.
Now, all the ND homers will say they play a harder schedule than most teams because they don’t play any FCS teams.
Well, Ball St., Navy, and Wake Forrest aren’t exactly top tier FBS teams either.
If they were forced into the ACC in football like they are all other sports they would have either played Clemson already, or would have last week and that would’ve settled the whole debate.
But, here we are again. Notre Dane will be exposed - again, but they will always get the benefit of the doubt. Always.
Because, according to the experts: Notre Dame being in the college football playoff is good for the sport. Whatever the hell that means.
Plus - one of them got a bye week.
In all seriousness - If the playoff was expanded to 6 I don’t think it would be as big of an issue, but the fact there is only 4 spots and you allow an independent to grab one that plays 1 less game is a middle finger to the power 5.
Now, all the ND homers will say they play a harder schedule than most teams because they don’t play any FCS teams.
Well, Ball St., Navy, and Wake Forrest aren’t exactly top tier FBS teams either.
If they were forced into the ACC in football like they are all other sports they would have either played Clemson already, or would have last week and that would’ve settled the whole debate.
But, here we are again. Notre Dane will be exposed - again, but they will always get the benefit of the doubt. Always.
Because, according to the experts: Notre Dame being in the college football playoff is good for the sport. Whatever the hell that means.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:09 am to Go_Dawgs
Expanding it to 6 would be great.
Here is my issue. The committee had to pray that GA lost the SECCG. Otherwise, you would have had 2 of 5 power conferences in the playoffs.
Bottom line is GA got penalized for playing the number one team--- a team they led for most of the game.
ND just adds to it because they exclude another P5 conference.
Again, I am not saying ND is overrated this year. But if they are murdered by Clemson, it should be part of any conversation.
Here is my issue. The committee had to pray that GA lost the SECCG. Otherwise, you would have had 2 of 5 power conferences in the playoffs.
Bottom line is GA got penalized for playing the number one team--- a team they led for most of the game.
ND just adds to it because they exclude another P5 conference.
Again, I am not saying ND is overrated this year. But if they are murdered by Clemson, it should be part of any conversation.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:16 am to higgs_boson
UGA got penalized because they got monkey stomped by three scores against a 9 - 3 team. Don't get it confused. Just like OSU got penalized because they got blasted by a 6 - 6 team. UGA would have still been in had they beaten LSU.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:21 am to AbuTheMonkey
I’m fine with UGA being left out - we had 2 losses so that’s on the team. Begging to get in when you could’ve handled business better is ridiculous. We are not in because we don’t deserve to be.
I do still think Notre Dame should be forced into a conference.
I know they can’t control their strength of schedule, but it was bad this year - but no one wants to talk about that.
Yes they’re undefeated, but can you really say that the team that struggled against bad teams has a chance against Clemson?
Again, teams shouldn’t be allowed to get in on history and prestige.
I do still think Notre Dame should be forced into a conference.
I know they can’t control their strength of schedule, but it was bad this year - but no one wants to talk about that.
Yes they’re undefeated, but can you really say that the team that struggled against bad teams has a chance against Clemson?
Again, teams shouldn’t be allowed to get in on history and prestige.
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:25 am to TGFN57
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Try looking at nd schedule after you have taken your mouth from their nut sacks. You will see it better.
Go look at ND’s adjusted strength of schedule this year and you tell me how it compares. Even without playing FCS teams their SoS is worse than teams that played 3 FCS schools.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:28 am to TigerFan4040
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ND is a joke.
Mind boggling how we forget they beat us 21-17 this year.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:38 am to Go_Dawgs
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I’m fine with UGA being left out - we had 2 losses so that’s on the team. Begging to get in when you could’ve handled business better is ridiculous. We are not in because we don’t deserve to be.
I do think UGA is, qualitatively, one of the four or five best teams in the country.
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I do still think Notre Dame should be forced into a conference.
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I do still think Notre Dame should be forced into a conference.
Disagree, but that's fine. We hear it all the time. I think more schools should go independent.
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I know they can’t control their strength of schedule, but it was bad this year - but no one wants to talk about that.
As of today, Sagarin's SoS (after the SEC title game):
Alabama - 44
Clemson - 48
Notre Dame - 42
Oklahoma - 31
Georgia's was 6, for the record. Very good. OSU was 40.
It wasn't great, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people might think it was. We still played (and beat) 3 top 25 teams and played some more in the 25 to 40 range. We have the same # of top 25 wins as UGA, OSU, and Oklahoma. We have one more than Clemson (who only has 2 and hasn't received nearly enough shite for how bad their schedule was).
Next year, we play @UGA, @Michigan, @Stanford, and @Louisville. We have USC, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and Duke at home. We played 6 top 25 teams last year during the regular season. We won't and shouldn't apologize for our schedule.
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Yes they’re undefeated, but can you really say that the team that struggled against bad teams has a chance against Clemson?
I am a little gun shy about any predictions after 2012, but why not? With the exception of Pitt, our struggles were all in the first few weeks of the year and were before we made the QB switch. It's not like we struggled and back door covered all year, either. We rolled almost everyone we played in the last two months. We also kicked Michigan's arse, and that game wasn't as close as the score indicated, and we beat them with a back up QB and RB.
With some caveats, Clemson also struggled against Syracuse at home (whom we blasted) and against a decent A&M team - so, against both ranked teams they played. We took them to the brink at their place just a couple of years ago. They aren't invincible.
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Again, teams shouldn’t be allowed to get in on history and prestige
We've absolutely earned our position this year. We are 3rd in just about every computer and in Massey composite. We are 3rd in the old BCS system. Our resume stacks up fine against the teams behind us. We have NFL talent all over the roster. I think people might be surprised by how solid we look, especially on defense, but I've been proven wrong before.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:25 pm to East Coast Band
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I think they can really give Clemson a game
Posted on 12/4/18 at 11:10 pm to Grim
They are at Georgia, at Michigan, and at Stanford next year. If they go 12-0 with that, they’ll be in the playoff deservingly no matter what happens vs Clemson this time. That’s a harder schedule than most teams playing full conference slates. In fact that is harder than Clemson’s 2019 schedule by a sizable margin, they only have at Cocks and Aggie at home as real games.
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