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re: Should the SEC West teams schedule scrub OOC games?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
So you rather lose to them in the regular season and not make the playoff than actually go to the playoff? Makes sense.
Sure, but they didn't beat Oregon. The way the committee is going, Mich St took an unnecessary risk in playing them. Not much to gain, everything to lose. They aren't rewarded for playing it, only crushed for losing it. If they had won they'd be #3 behind MSU and FSU, if they hadn't played it they'd be #3.
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You could just as easily say, "if Mich St had beaten Oregon, they'd be #2 and sitting pretty right now."
Sure, but they didn't beat Oregon. The way the committee is going, Mich St took an unnecessary risk in playing them. Not much to gain, everything to lose. They aren't rewarded for playing it, only crushed for losing it. If they had won they'd be #3 behind MSU and FSU, if they hadn't played it they'd be #3.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Maybe we should just schedule against their top Teams, get the loss out of the way for them so they wont be in the picture anymore anyways. :jump2:
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:35 pm to higgs_boson
The Sec teams have scheduled bad teams and good teams over the years. Some SEC teams more than others. I would like to see all the Big 5 conferences play each other on the regular. I realize the cupcakes need the money, but at the same time if they cannot support the football program on their own maybe they should concentrate on other sports or drop down a division or two.
Having said this, the playoff should expand to 8, 12, or 16 with no automatic bids. Put the computers back in and let them use margin of victory on a sliding scale plus look at opponents SOS and their opponents SOS on an adjusted basis.
It takes out the human bias. This year for example the PAC 12 is better than the SEC East but not as good as the SEC West on an average basis.
Having said this, the playoff should expand to 8, 12, or 16 with no automatic bids. Put the computers back in and let them use margin of victory on a sliding scale plus look at opponents SOS and their opponents SOS on an adjusted basis.
It takes out the human bias. This year for example the PAC 12 is better than the SEC East but not as good as the SEC West on an average basis.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:35 pm to bigpapamac
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I think your point applies in spades to a team that will win its conference and have an inside track at making the final four as a regional representative.
Michigan St will need some help to get in the playoff even if they win out. The SEC, FSU, Oregon, and Big XII are all ahead of them right now. However, if Mich St had played a directional school instead of Oregon, they'd be #3 and sitting pretty right now.
exactly, that's a point I believe I just kiged
I think the issue is probably different if you are a runner up in the SEC West tho - you should have played two plus quality teams OOC if you want to make it as an at large IMO
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:39 pm to bigpapamac
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So you rather lose to them in the regular season and not make the playoff than actually go to the playoff and lose to them there?
After all, you still end up with nothing.
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Sure, but they didn't beat Oregon.
Then what chance do they have of winning the NC?
What difference does it make just making the playoffs if you're going to get wiped out anyway?
Let's face it, what chance does a B1G team have of winning the NC either way?
And again, this is another argument for an 8 team playoff with conference champions. Then your OOC schedule wouldn't matter except maybe for seeding.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:40 pm to NotRight37
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I would like to see all the Big 5 conferences play each other on the regular
Saban is for this, P5 conferences playing all 12 games against other P5 games. He'll never see that come to be. He's also for 9 conference games which you'd think would be more realistic, but he's alone there right now in the league as well.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What difference does it make just making the playoffs if you're going to get wiped out anyway?
Serious?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:41 pm to molsusports
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exactly, that's a point I believe I just kiged
Sort of, but they don't have an "inside track" right now like you described.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:45 pm to bigpapamac
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Serious?
Yes.
Play scrubs and second rate conference schedule - easy path to playoffs. Once there get exposed for being mediocre by being blown out. That doesn't sound like a good time to me. I'd rather play a tough OOC schedule and know what I've got relative to teams in other regions.
Ultimately I want conference champions in. If you're going to have a playoff, get rid of opinions choosing who gets to play. I don't ever want to see a 2-loss SEC champions left out of the playoffs. It's likely to happen under this current system.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The answer is yes. Because in the end, would you rather be a 10-2 team who had a tough schedule and go to the outback bowl, or be a 12-0 team who skips into the playoffs? Being in the SEC, SOS will take care of itself
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:04 pm to 5thTiger
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What's the point of scheduling big OOC games every year like LSU and BAMA do?
Attention.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:14 pm to StopRobot
Beating KSU has us third, otherwise we would be much further down
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:22 pm to allin2010
If Wisc wins conf, a 2 loss sec non champ goes in over them. Same with K-State. If Fla upsets Fla St. even better for the SEC as it knocks down Fla St and ND with one hit. Beating other conference's top tier teams give the SEC a better chance at multiple teams in the playoffs not the other way around.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:41 pm to CatsGoneWild
LSU would suffer from this once they get a tough stretch of conference games. They make no attempt to work on weaknesses and happy to win without embarrassing an unworthy opponent. Scheduling tough OOC is the one thing that somewhat readies them for conference play
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:58 pm to idlewatcher
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Wat? What OOC opener has Bama scheduled when they were in the Top 10-15? VT? Nope. WVU? Nope. Frankly, they are smart by getting those games - zero risk of losing, yet it's a "marquee" win due to history.
2009. Va. Tech, ranked #7 at the time.
2012. MIchigan, ranked #8 at the time.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 6:21 pm to FourThreeForty
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Uhhhhh, Virginia Tech 2009 bro.
one.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 6:23 pm to CatsGoneWild
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Should the SEC West teams schedule scrub OOC games?
Yeah we should probably all drop A&M.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:08 pm to CatsGoneWild
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I'm sure if Mich St didn't play Oregon, they would be top 4 right now.
I believe this to be an accurate, yet unfortunate statement.
I don't think this 4 team playoff will bolster the normal team's OOC schedule. Too much emphasis on losses.
Michigan State absolutely would be top 3 had they just played another MAC team instead. And further, I bet Oregon wouldn't be that much lower ranked, if any, than they are now had they instead played Weber State instead of Michigan State.
I'm rooting for all OOC games to be of Power 5 conferences only.
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