re: Should the SEC consider East Carolina ?

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Okay, here's the biggest reason nt to take them - we already have a purple and yellow team

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you damn corndog wannabe

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I've encountered ALABAMA fans before, they're the worst. Like West Virginia fans but even more redneck and obnoxious

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fixed it for you...

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THE BRAND is the SEC, NOT East Carolina...anyone we pick is going to improve drastically anyways. Recruiting would immediately shoot through the roof even if we grabbed freaking RICE

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We only add you to the brand if you add something to it, which you don't. A&M clearly adds something to it and has a rather unique military environment and former ties to a few programs. Mizzou... theoretically a good basketball program. All ECU offers is a terrible football program, even worse at the other sports, the lowest endowment of all major NC universities, and is subpar in every category imaginable.

You may think of yourself as an SEC-like team, but at best you are a watered down version of an SEC team who brings nothing to the table. It's like bitching that since they serve Budweiser at a high end bar that they should serve Natty as well. All your university would serve as is watering down the SEC brand.

I figure you are trolling hard but just in case you are that clueless why make other LSU fans look dumb by your comments. Get educated and understand what you are talking about.

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let us know when some of the Big XII schools are interested then, because ACC schools aren't coming..

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Now maybe not, but next contract go round who knows. If you are a power conference like the B1G / PAC / SEC you can wait to get the best teams than take some crappy team like ECU.

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realignment is the result of expansion numbnuts...

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Are you are a sidewalk fan of the Tigers and did not actually attend LSU? If you did math must not be your strong suit. Expansion implies a number greater than you had before so if there were 120 D I schools before and you have 120 D I schools now you did not expand. If those same schools just moved up or down in that same 120 teams you realigned.

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not really, its about markets, pure and simple....Expansion has actually been a pretty big failure for the other conferences. That's why the Big XII is staying at 10 teams

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Again, it is not a real expansion as no new teams are added they are just shifted around. The power conferences expanded but as you noted the non power conference's actually contracted or ceased to exist. The B1g stayed at 10 because they lost 4 of their historic Top 6 teams instead of culling the other 6 schools who may be dead weight. If it helps think of it as being in a class of 128 students and you are working with a standard bell curve

Your power conferences are your A, B and C students. Your non power conferences are your C, D, and F students. Your FCS schools are your schools that fall below the failing mark.

A students = "brand" schools like Ohio State and Alabama
B students = second tier schools like TAMU and Clemson
C students = bottom schools in power conferences and top schools in non power conferences
D students = middle schools in say CUSA
F students = bottom schools in say the Sun Belt

Think of it by year
Freshman = football from inception to WW II
Sophomore = football from WWII to Supreme Court decision
Junior = football from ESPN to 2010
Senior = football from 2010 to ????

Now if you have been a 4.0 student all for years like say Alabama it is pretty easy to maintain your status at the top of the class. If you were a D student like ECU all for years it is almost impossible to become an A student because you have too many bad grades to pull your average up with few classes left to take. It is pretty easy to see this so I am unsure why you have such a hard time accepting it.

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What's the incentive for the PAC 12 or the Big XII to go to 16?? Who the hell would the PAC 12 add?? If you think East Carolina is bad, wait till you see expansion candidates to get the PAC 12 to PAC 16...

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PAC 12 is a moat so they can stay at 12 the easiest. I can see them adding say Texas and Oklahoma to get to 14 then add (pick 2 of 4) Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, or ???? and you can stop at 16. The PAC is strong enough and never needs to add a Nevada or BYU as you imply. They can wait for the top schools or not expand at all.

I think the Big 12 fooked itself they day they let Nebraska walk, followed by the exodus of Colorado (excellent academic school) and then the 2 schools heading to the SEC. The Big 12 went from 7 AAU schools to 3 AAU schools almost overnight. To further cripple themselves they did not add new footprints with schools like UL, UC, WVU as a block to have a travel pod and retain a CCG and the 2 million per school it would add to the bottom line. The Big 12 may be a dead man walking and just not know it yet.

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no one in the SEC cares about the freaking AAU....that's retarded
Just because the B1G is all about the research doesn't mean everyone else is...

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And yet all the power conferences added AAU schools including the SEC. Are all these folks just dumb or retarded as you imply? If UNC is grossing 80 million per year from all sports but grossing 400 million in research dollars which do you think is more valuable? If Vanderbilt grosses 400 million in research dollars and 60 million in sports dollars which part of the university is more valuable? Ask the TAMU folks here what TAMU grossed from sports last year and how much they will gross from the new research deal they got this past year for vaccine production hub? Research is where the real money is.

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what a bunch of long-winded CRAP in that post....

NEXT

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I offered answers and solutions. If you choose to ignore them who really loses here? Get smarter instead of thinking your points are correct when history has already proved you wrong.

I see your point, but i don't believe 60 + teams are just gonna say , you know what we don't want to play in bowls games and make millions in TV revenue, will just go play in a second hand division , and I'm not talking about ECU, TROY, etc. I mean Iowa St, Baylor, TCU, Wake, with GOR deals in place, they won't just go away.

Also, just a thought since we just have the top 64 teams in the highest division, the the only poll to use is the RPI, some teams who don't get in based on 2012 are as follows...
Ga tech, Arky, NCSt, Auburn, UTenn, UK, Purdue , Cal

But at least Northern Ill is in so us ECU @ 63.

I know that is ridiculous, but so is saying well just cut out half the teams , and saying well make them there own div, champ , and they get lower bowl games. What recruits go there, what network wants that , there has to be away for teams and programs to inspire to be the best, to build something. You just can't lock out half , it's called collusion , and that opens a whole other can of worms. Schools will just not say goodbye to money.

Neither is Auburn, Clemson, Ga Tech, Vaderbilt, Texas AM... What's your point Only University of State. , that's only 50. Foes Alaska play football?

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I know that is ridiculous, but so is saying well just cut out half the teams , and saying well make them there own div, champ , and they get lower bowl games. What recruits go there, what network wants that , there has to be away for teams and programs to inspire to be the best, to build something. You just can't lock out half , it's called collusion , and that opens a whole other can of worms. Schools will just not say goodbye to money.

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a) ESPN is the sole broadcaster for the crappy bowl games so they may actually do better. Would you rather watch (12-0) Boise State vs (11-1) Baylor in a bowl (as a playoff game) or some 6-6 teams that has no place in a bowl in the first place?

b) The sweetener with such a FBS beta playoff is you get it done in December and in theory the winner (and possibly runner up) can get January bowl games against FBS Alpha schools

c) Like the NCAA tournament there is no Cinderella even tho the marketing is hyped that way. Name 1 Cinderella team in the NCAA men's basketball championship since the expansion to 64 teams? Those #1 seeds vs #16 games are ratings snoozers and they sure are not filling the venues like the Sweet 16 games to the Championship

d) With prices going up fans are not traveling as much for crappy bowl games so you swap them for better record teams at a level down. Then reset the FBS Alpha bowls so you have to win at least 8 of 12 games in the regular season to get in. With the 8 win minimum it gives the better bowls more exclusive competition which lead to more fan excitement.



Folks can scream collusion all they want but there is a "have vs have not" in Division 1 FBS already. I am just eliminating the hypocrisy of the debate and offering a solution that reflest the reality while bumping up the money for the FBS Beta schools.

I'm not saying I don't like your idea , I'm just asking which teams will be willing to give up 20m a year in TV dollars and a portion of all the major bowl game money received by the conference , you think Baylor and TCU will?

It doesn't matter how much more competitive the games may be for beta, are you gonna tune in to watch espn for these games? It's easy to say do this when you're and my teams will clearly be in.

A few years ago ESPN did a most prestigious football list, some programs ranked outside the top 64.

Kentucky, Kansas, Okie State, UVA, South Carolina, Vandy.