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re: Seems like Bruin/Pat Forde is out of ammo.

Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:11 am to
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:11 am to
Lmao y’all are as or more delusional than we were re: Hughberto
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:12 am to
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What do you want to bet he has a contract clause requiring him to cooperate with investigations like this?


"Reasonably." That's the hold-up. He has refused to talk to Alleva with the NCAA present on advice of his counsel. Is that refusal reasonable? Idk, but I'm sure LSU's attorneys would rather not litigate the issue if they can just sit back and wait for more information to come out before making a decision.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:13 am to
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Well if he refuses to speak to his employer


This is actually incorrect.

On March 8th Wade was schedule to meed Alleva and F. King at 10:00 am meeting to discuss the Pat Forde article.

Alleva and F. King canceled the meeting then rescheduled the meeting and invited the LSU compliance department and NCAA representative to a 4:00 PM meeting the same afternoon.

Wade's legal counsel advised Wade to not attend that meeting.

The NCAA rep is not his employer.

Wade will meet will his employer just not with his employer AND the NCAA rep at this time, but at a later date after the Dawkins trial.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:14 am to
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committing NCAA violations


Can this be proven?
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:15 am to
So LSU is just going to keep him on administrative leave until a potentially lengthy trial is done? Seems legit
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:16 am to
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So LSU is just going to keep him on administrative leave until a potentially lengthy trial is done? Seems legit


At this point, yes.

It was stupid and reactionary to suspend him in the first place.
Posted by tigerfan0082
Member since Oct 2011
703 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:18 am to
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Surely theres language in the contract that would absolve LSU of a buyout if they fired him with cause.


That is the problem for LSU, it is not that simple. He has been requested to potentially testify, and his lawyer is giving him advice to not meet with LSU, with NCAA present, at this time. Some argue this gives LSU cause; however, most judges will say following your legal counsels advice when you are potentially going to testify is acceptable. There needs to be a sanction or more than just "strong *** offers" on wiretap for there to be cause with no chance of overturn by the courts.
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:19 am to
There is a zero percent chance LSU keeps Wade on a leash going all the way into next season assuming the Dawkins trial doesn’t end anytime soon
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:22 am to
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There is a zero percent chance LSU keeps Wade on a leash going all the way into next season assuming the Dawkins trial doesn’t end anytime soon



It should be over by May.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:25 am to
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There is a zero percent chance LSU keeps Wade on a leash going all the way into next season assuming the Dawkins trial doesn’t end anytime soon


How long do you think this trial is going to last?
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:32 am to
It could be over by late spring early summer, but there are plenty of ways to slow down the legal process. If there’s a chance it might extend into the 2019-2020 academic calendar, I just don’t see how Wade is retained unless LSU is fine with canning him as fall practice is about to start and running with an interim while they get a huge head start on the 2020 coaching carousel
Posted by tigerfan0082
Member since Oct 2011
703 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:37 am to
I think they find out very little from the trial. There have been some big leaks recently and my guess is they will continue until the trial.

I believe the problem for LSU comes if there is no more than circumstantial evidence. Obviously, something went down, I think very few people can say that. However, many coaches are coaching that have had dark clouds over their program.

What will LSU do if there is strictly circumstantial evidence in the trial, and then the NCAA starts probing around in September/October and stays for 12 months? Keep an interim for the entire 2019-2020 season?
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
Member since Jan 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:42 am to
There are actual federal issues with what Wade is allegedly on tape trying to accomplish though. The NCAA doesn’t have subpoena powers, but the federal government sure as hell does. If they want the evidence to come to light, there’s not much Wade’s camp can do to stop them

It’s remarkably similar to the Sean Miller situation
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31977 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:45 am to
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Alleva is already trying push Benford on the fans. The SI article by Delly yesterday is a pure tell.

The fans would revolt.

If Alleva promotes Benford it's going to be 5 years of SEC bottom dwellers, minimum.

Greg Heiar is doing the real coaching right now. Benford is just the face. Heiar is the brains.



I need to re-read that article, I didn't get that Alleva was quoted praising Benford.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3920 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:46 am to
Why would we have to keep him on a leash until the trial was over? All that matters to LSU is his testimony not the trial result for Dawkins. Once he has testified if nothing damaging comes out we could move forward. That’s if he even ends up testifying. I’m not sure if he will coach at LSU again but at this point that is solely because of his relationship with The AD
Posted by tigerfan0082
Member since Oct 2011
703 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:46 am to
I get that, but what I am saying is what if it doesn't come to light. What if Wade doesn't take the stand and nothing else comes to light? What if the trial ends in May, and then the NCAA announces an investigation immediately after, what does LSU do then? They could take 8 months, a year, 18 months rooting around before they make any statement.

Does LSU just keep Wade and use an interim for that long?
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
4028 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:47 am to
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What is the over/under on Pat Forde rehashed hit pieces to be released Saturday night if LSU moves on to meet Duke Sunday? 2?


Hope he gets the chance
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22953 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:50 am to
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It could be over by late spring early summer, but there are plenty of ways to slow down the legal process. If there’s a chance it might extend into the 2019-2020 academic calendar


The trial? The trial is already set. The chances of it getting pushed back at this point are slim, and the trial is not going to last a year.
Posted by tigerfan0082
Member since Oct 2011
703 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:51 am to
I do not trust Alleva to reinstate Wade. They didn't have to suspend him now; however, do to pressure from outside sources they did. If the outside sources keep the pressure on, I could see Alleva stating he is waiting until after the NCAA investigation concludes.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22953 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:53 am to
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There are actual federal issues with what Wade is allegedly on tape trying to accomplish though.

What are they? The FBI has had these tapes for almost 2 years. Have they opened an investigation into Wade?

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The NCAA doesn’t have subpoena powers, but the federal government sure as hell does. If they want the evidence to come to light, there’s not much Wade’s camp can do to stop them


Right, and they haven't subpoena'd him.
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