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SEC Football - 2021 Results vs 247 Team Talent Rankings
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:42 am
I used the Sagarin Ratings instead of conference records since that eliminates some of the disparity between East and West and who played who. The ratings are of the rosters on opening day, so that only includes kids on the roster and their recruiting/transfer rankings. Pretty interesting.
247 Talent Rankings
Sagarin Rankings
- The two most underachieving teams (LSU and Florida) fired their coaches
- The other 2 "underachieving teams" had 1st year coaches, which generally tells you that while the rosters may have had "talent", it was either misevaluated or underdeveloped by the prior coaching regime.
- 10 of the 14 teams finished within 3 spots of their "talent" ranking. Coaching certainly matters, but only on the fringes. You have to recruit at a certain level to break through a certain level.
247 Talent Rankings
Sagarin Rankings
- The two most underachieving teams (LSU and Florida) fired their coaches
- The other 2 "underachieving teams" had 1st year coaches, which generally tells you that while the rosters may have had "talent", it was either misevaluated or underdeveloped by the prior coaching regime.
- 10 of the 14 teams finished within 3 spots of their "talent" ranking. Coaching certainly matters, but only on the fringes. You have to recruit at a certain level to break through a certain level.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 9:54 am
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
Stoops is a great coach.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Also, here is how everyone lined up nationally in "talent"
1. Alabama (1)
2. Georgia (2)
5. LSU (3)
7. Florida (4)
8. Texas A&M (5)
14. Auburn (6)
19. Tennessee (7)
22. South Carolina (8)
27. Ole Miss (9)
28. Arkansas (10)
30. Mississippi State (11)
31. Kentucky (12)
46. Missouri (13)
59. Vanderbilt (14)
1. Alabama (1)
2. Georgia (2)
5. LSU (3)
7. Florida (4)
8. Texas A&M (5)
14. Auburn (6)
19. Tennessee (7)
22. South Carolina (8)
27. Ole Miss (9)
28. Arkansas (10)
30. Mississippi State (11)
31. Kentucky (12)
46. Missouri (13)
59. Vanderbilt (14)
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
I’m officially opting out of this thread.
Respek my decision.
Respek my decision.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
It’s surprising that 6-6 is the 6th best finish in the SEC.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
Great data, which really well quantifies majority opinions of these coaches/programs throughout the past season.
I love these "look backs" at the end of the year.
I love these "look backs" at the end of the year.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
Am I reading that right? That A&M outperformed their talent level. If true our talent level stinks.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:55 am to Floki
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Am I reading that right? That A&M outperformed their talent level. If true our talent level stinks.
Basically finished around where your talent level would expect you to finish. Of course, #5 in the SEC talent wise = #8 nationally = #3 SEC West.
It's a meatgrinder.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Also, here is how everyone lined up nationally in "talent"
This is also a good example of why the real focus of where you finish in recruiting should be in comparison to the conference, not nationally.
You can finish in the top #25 nationally and barely crack the Top 10 in the SEC.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
The Vols are finally overachieving! 
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
I guess I don’t understand the “finish”.
How did Mizzou finish 13th?
How did Mizzou finish 13th?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:59 am to RamboMizzou
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I guess I don’t understand the “finish”.
Missouri was the 13th ranked team per the Sagarin rankings
1. Alabama (1)
2. Georgia (2)
11. Ole Miss (3)
15. Texas A&M (4)
21. Kentucky (5)
25. Auburn (6)
29. Arkansas (7)
31. LSU (8)
32. Mississippi State (9)
33. Tennessee (10)
40. Florida (11)
70. South Carolina (12)
75. Missouri (13)
141. Vanderbilt (14)
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
Great work as usual SOG! 
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:01 am to ibldprplgld
Thanks bud 
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:02 am to SummerOfGeorge
Despite being bygones, you're one of my favorite posters SOG.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:10 am to UTprideofTX
Appreciate it sir 
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:15 am to RamboMizzou
Ya that doesn't make any sense. When rankings are that poor, it takes away from the op.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:22 am to mizslu314
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Ya that doesn't make any sense. When rankings are that poor, it takes away from the op.
Missouri is ranked #13 in the SEC in basically every metric available
Sagarin - #13 (#75)
FPI - #13 (#76)
SP+ - #13 (#70)
FEI - #13 (#75)
Massey Composite - #13 (#71)
Sharp CFB - #13 (#80)
Not sure where you think they are supposed to be but the universal ranking of Missouri is #13 in the SEC and somewhere in the #70s nationally.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
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This is also a good example of why the real focus of where you finish in recruiting should be in comparison to the conference, not nationally. You can finish in the top #25 nationally and barely crack the Top 10 in the SEC.
Textbook recruiting under Richt. Finished 4-5 in recruiting every year despite top ten classes and finished 4-5 in the SEC most years.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
There's no way this is correct, rival fans tell us every year we underachieve relative to our talent.
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