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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:09 am to so_comfort
quote:But voter ID laws do not seem to have a disenfranchising effect on the 65+ voter turnout.
Yep. I care about laws that can disenfranchise anyone regardless of political affiliation.
quote:Do you believe voter ID laws do this?
It's un-American to make laws that make it harder to vote for anyone of any creed, race, or affiliation.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:09 am to so_comfort
Does children have a right to vote ??
Why ?
Why ?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:32 am to Murph4HOF
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But voter ID laws do not seem to have a disenfranchising effect on the 65+ voter turnout.
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Do you believe voter ID laws do this?
They do in the 85+ demographic.
There are certain core values that as an American I believe there should be no laws made to impinge on those rights. The right to bear arms also happens to be one of those core values.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:32 am to so_comfort
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The elderly that no longer drive and have let ID's lapse due to not being able to get around anymore
You can get an ID without a DL and in most states those don't have an expiration date.
How are these people getting food or going
to the doctor? Are they living in a tent?How are they accessing their funds?
Sorry, your example is garbage and I want a specific example of a person and not an imagined scenerio.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:45 am to RD Dawg
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You can get an ID without a DL and in most states those don't have an expiration date.
How are these people getting food or going
to the doctor? Are they living in a tent?How are they accessing their funds?
Sorry, your example is garbage and I want a specific example of a person and not an imagined scenerio.
LINK
Ok. Here's 31,089 real world examples.
“We conclude that the significant burden quantified by the 31,089 voters who had their registration applications canceled or suspended” in the state, said the 84-page court opinion. “The precise interests put forward by the Secretary do not justify the burden imposed on the right to vote. Thus, we conclude the DPOC requirement is unconstitutional.”
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:54 am to dcbl
Thinly veiled 
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:56 am to mulletproof
lol. Atleast your labeling is getting better. Marxist... Ill claim that.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:02 pm to so_comfort
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Ok. Here's 31,089 real world examples
You still haven't answered my question in regards to how they're functioning without
an ID and WHY they didn't have one?
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documentary proof of citizenship (DPOC) requirement “unconstitutionally burdens the right to vote.” The court concluded more than 31,000 Kansas residents were prevented from registering to vote.
So you just think anyone should show up in
a voting both or to register and give a name and address WITHOUT any proof of a legal ID?
Once again,why don't they have a legal ID?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:07 pm to so_comfort
Should children be restricted in voting ?
Why ?
Why ?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:17 pm to so_comfort
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There are certain core values that as an American I believe there should be no laws made to impinge on those rights. The right to bear arms also happens to be one of those core values.
I respect that. Are you okay with having to show ID to buy a gun?
Also, I consider voting a privilege, not a right, as there are circumstances that must be met to gain that privilege, and things that one can do that would cause them to lose their privilege.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:29 pm to SkyKing101
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Does children have a right to vote ??
Why ?
Of course what you're trying to do with this question is set a trap. Your belief that "only the wise" should be able to vote is one that should be completely rejected.
As to the actual question, a strong argument could be made for having no lower age limit on enfranchisement as public policy affects all citizens regardless of age. Why should a 15 year old not have a say in policy that will be a part of their lives for many decades to come other than the paternalistic viewpoint of them not being "capable" of making decisions for themselves?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:39 pm to Murph4HOF
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I respect that. Are you okay with having to show ID to buy a gun?
Also, I consider voting a privilege, not a right, as there are circumstances that must be met to gain that privilege, and things that one can do that would cause them to lose their privilege.
Driving is a privilege to be earned. Voting is an unalienable right IMO.
As for an ID to purchase a gun, it truly is only an exercise in "Security Theater".
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:42 pm to so_comfort
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This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:43 pm to RD Dawg
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Once again,why don't they have a legal ID?
It's estimated that 11% of Americans do not have a government issued ID. With that many people without, I'm sure there are a myriad of reasons. But truly, the "Why" doesn't really matter.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:45 pm to Murph4HOF
quote:I disagree with you, but respect your opinion.
Driving is a privilege to be earned. Voting is an unalienable right IMO.
quote:No doubt.
As for an ID to purchase a gun, it truly is only an exercise in "Security Theater".
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:50 pm to Murph4HOF
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I'm not trying to set a trap
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Where have I said that? Link please.
You quoted my reply to Sky King. That wasn't meant for you.
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Do you believe that your average 15 year old is mature enough to handle the responsibility of voting? We don't trust 15 year olds to drive without adult supervision, we don't trust 15 year olds to consume alcohol, we don't allow 15 year olds to buy dip/cigs/vape, and 15 year olds cannot join the military.
I'm not saying I agree with all or any of these laws, I am just pointing out that those laws are in place because society via government has decided that 15 year olds are not allowed to do these things.
We have agreed as a society to all those things. We've also agreed that 18 is the age for someone to start voting. It's not an easy question to answer.
Why shouldn't a 15 year old be able to vote for a candidate that takes long term issues seriously? For instance, voting for a true conservative that doesn't just pay lip service to the national debt? Or a progressive candidate that feels we need to act on global warming now rather than kicking the can down the road?
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:55 pm to Murph4HOF
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I disagree with you, but respect your opinion.
Fair.
I would add though, that voting, not the right to bear arms, is the most effective way to protect your liberty.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:08 pm to so_comfort
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Fair.
I would add though, that voting, not the right to bear arms, is the most effective way to protect your liberty.
You can easily make that argument, and probably have no disagreement from me.
With that said, the part I disagreed with you about is voting being an unalienable right. The language "unalienable rights" comes from the Declaration of Independence (which as great as it was, is nothing more that a well penned frick you letter to Great Britain) and not the US Constitution which is a legal document.
You and I could probably have a great discussion about how neither voting nor the Second Amendment have been effective in protecting our liberty, but this isn't the place for it.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:16 pm to so_comfort
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myriad of reasons
Like what? Give me one reason why a functioning US Citizen doesn't have an ID or can't get one? Where are you getting this 11% figure.
Please no made up scenerios
quote:
Why" doesn't really matter
Of course it does and directly affects voting integrity in this country.
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