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re: SEC Baseball Attendance 2011
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:51 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:51 pm to ProjectP2294
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Basketball plays only 22.4 regular season games? That can't be right.
I was talking about his comparison of LSU and UK home attendance.
38 is actually a little more than 2.5 times 15.
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:52 pm to Doc Fenton
And I think UK's 15 was one of the lowest total of home games we've had in a few years. We usually average 17 or so games (which would lower our #'s by about 90,000 give or take I suppose).
2010 - 18 (433,989)
2009 - 19 (422,547)
2008 - 18 (405,964)
2007 - 16 (374,737)
2006 - 15 (341,445)
2010 - 18 (433,989)
2009 - 19 (422,547)
2008 - 18 (405,964)
2007 - 16 (374,737)
2006 - 15 (341,445)
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:54 pm to Rohan2Reed
A classic debate from 2010. 
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:55 pm to volfan30
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38 is actually a little more than 2.5 times 15.
But neither of those numbers represent a full regular season schedule. And the number of home games for each team, in both sports, will vary from year to year.
Also, I'm pretty sure Rupp holds quite a few more bodies than Alex Box. So the difference in games isn't as significant as you are trying to make it out to be.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:58 pm to volfan30
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What is the significance here when baseball plays 2.5x as many games as basketball
Because most baseball stadiums are significantly smaller than most basketball stadiums.
And out of all the schools in NCAA baseball, only LSU baseball is outdrawing a team in the top five in basketball attendance.
I mean, if it were so easy to do, why is only one school doing that? Baseball, after all, is a far more regional sport than basketball, being dependent on the weather.
Basketball, on the other hand, can be played anywhere, in any climate. Because it's indoors.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 6/13/11 at 10:59 pm to ProjectP2294
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So the difference in games isn't as significant as you are trying to make it out to be.
It depends. If LSU Baseball has a higher than average number of home games (I don't know, I haven't looked) while UK Basketball has a lower than average number of home games (which they did this season) then it could.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking LSU Baseball attendance. It's pretty impressive.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It depends.
Yep. Basketball and baseball have totally different business models. Basketball relies more on television for revenue, and baseball relies more on the "ballpark experience" for revenue. (Although that doesn't stop the Yankees from having their own profitable television network.)
I don't have the general revenue figures, and it is true that baseball does need to outdraw basketball by a bit in total attendance just to draw even in $$$, but the total attendance figures are a good sign that the sport is close to basketball on the elite D1 college level.
A little known fact is that the NCAA baseball playoffs have outdrawn the NCAA basketball playoffs in attendance figures for several years now, but of course it has around 100 games. Still, with crowds of around 25k watching the approx. 15 CWS games every year, college baseball is growing up.
About 2 or 3 years ago there were a lot of big arguments about whether baseball should count as one of three "major college sports," and at this point, I think it clearly does. People who were saying baseball was roughly equivalent to hockey or lacrosse were out of their minds.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:13 pm to Doc Fenton
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About 2 or 3 years ago there were a lot of big arguments about whether baseball should count as one of three "major college sports," and at this point, I think it clearly does.
I can agree with that. Of course I've always grown up with SEC sports, so it's easy for me to say Basketball (especially as a UK fan), Football, and Baseball are the big three because they've always pulled pretty well across the board.
And FTR, does LSU have the largest ballpark in the SEC? If not those are some pretty interesting numbers in comparison to their counterparts that have bigger ballparks but pull less.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:16 pm to Doc Fenton
It was nice when The Joe was packed each and every weekend. Maybe Coach Gaspard gets it back to those days.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:17 pm to Doc Fenton
@ DocFenton -
The problem that college baseball faces is that it's almost impossible for northern schools to make baseball profitable. The season starts in mid Feb/late March, and there are days where it doesn't get above freezing. That isolates a large portion of the Televison viewing markets in this country. What I'm getting at is that people in NYC don't watch college baseball.
Also, those baseball attendance numbers are not an accurate reflection of 'butts in seats'. Clearly. The reason it's done by paid attendance is because there are midweek games against Jacksonville State where 300 people attend. Average those out and it pulls the attendance means down significantly.
The problem that college baseball faces is that it's almost impossible for northern schools to make baseball profitable. The season starts in mid Feb/late March, and there are days where it doesn't get above freezing. That isolates a large portion of the Televison viewing markets in this country. What I'm getting at is that people in NYC don't watch college baseball.
Also, those baseball attendance numbers are not an accurate reflection of 'butts in seats'. Clearly. The reason it's done by paid attendance is because there are midweek games against Jacksonville State where 300 people attend. Average those out and it pulls the attendance means down significantly.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And FTR, does LSU have the largest ballpark in the SEC?
I'm not sure if it does. I think Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State all have comparable seating.
Alex Box Stadium isn't finished yet though. It's only in Phase One. In fact, they are adding box seating this summer.
If you look at the pic above, they are extending the box seats to the end of the overhang in either direction of the press box.
:inb4itwillneverbereadyintime:
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
College baseball still has a ways to go though to get in the mainstream like college football and college basketball. If I didn't post here, I couldn't have told you much at all about the sport. The fact that it's premier event, the NCAA Tournament, clashes with the NBA Finals, hurts it quite a bit.
I think college basketball and college baseball are both hurt by one thing, they try to compete with the NBA and MLB respectively. Both are far superior products to their college counterpart. You would have a very hard time in Knoxville finding someone who would, on a Friday night, rather go to a Tennessee vs. Florida baseball game than a Braves vs. Phillies game.
The product is closer in basketball, because the best players are forced to play it and there's no minor leagues separating John Wall and Chris Paul. You know in a few months you'll see your guy on the premier stage. College football is similar in that way and doesn't have to compete with the NFL for an audience.
I think college basketball and college baseball are both hurt by one thing, they try to compete with the NBA and MLB respectively. Both are far superior products to their college counterpart. You would have a very hard time in Knoxville finding someone who would, on a Friday night, rather go to a Tennessee vs. Florida baseball game than a Braves vs. Phillies game.
The product is closer in basketball, because the best players are forced to play it and there's no minor leagues separating John Wall and Chris Paul. You know in a few months you'll see your guy on the premier stage. College football is similar in that way and doesn't have to compete with the NFL for an audience.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:34 pm to volfan30
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You would have a very hard time in Knoxville finding someone who would, on a Friday night, rather go to a Tennessee vs. Florida baseball game than a Braves vs. Phillies game.
The opposite is true in Baton Rouge, as it is in most places where college baseball is followed passionately.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:38 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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The opposite is true in Baton Rouge, as it is in most places where college baseball is followed passionately.
I kind of hope we get good, so I can go out to the stadium every once in a while. It looks like it will be really nice. Problem is, no one goes.
I have no idea how they think they're going to sell all those suites. Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:46 pm to volfan30
Holy smokes that look legit?
What is the projected capacity?
What is the projected capacity?
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:56 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Alex Box Stadium isn't finished yet though.
Why the hell doesn't LSU get rid of the bleachers? I would think that y'all would have the money
Posted on 6/14/11 at 12:00 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Holy smokes that look legit?
What is the projected capacity?
Around 6-7K I believe. Right now it's around 3500.
This post was edited on 6/14/11 at 12:01 am
Posted on 6/14/11 at 12:02 am to OBReb6
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Why the hell doesn't LSU get rid of the bleachers? I would think that y'all would have the money
I'm speculating, but the fact that LSU athletics has been "asked" to give $3 million per year...and the figure may have gone up...to the academic side of the university has cut into LSU AD Alleva's war chest for renovations/improvements.
LSU's state funding got hit hard by the state's recent budget shortfall. Things look to be improving in that area, but how long before we get back to where we were three years ago is a good question.
Posted on 6/14/11 at 12:03 am to volfan30
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Around 6-7K I believe. Right now it's around 3500.
Very nice indeed. Grats!
Posted on 6/14/11 at 2:08 am to Doc Fenton
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