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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:05 am to skrayper
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:05 am to skrayper
Not sure how far back you go as a fan, but what Dye did at AU was impressive, considering how they were prior to his hire. He should have won a title in 83. His 86 team was 2-3 plays away from undefeated, and the 88 team was an LSU 4th down conversion away from playing for a title against Notre Dame. I also agree that Stallings doesn't get the credit he deserves- that 91 team was excellent as well. Everyone only ever talks about 92.
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:11 am to VFL67
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Thoughts on this?
vince could probably be scooted down. I've long thought he was a bit overrated, more so by our fans than by others.
Kirby could make a case for being higher. I suppose if someone approached me randomly and said "there are only 6 coaches in SEC history better than kirby would you agree?" i'd probably say yeah that sounds about right. But looking at the names listed...idk. I'd have to do more research.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:13 am to WG_Dawg
Spurrier only got the one natty, but it was impressive seeing him take two SEC programs that were not powerhouses and turn them into consistent winners. For SC that was 3 11 win seasons and a 10 win. For UF it was a decade of dominance.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:14 am to GamecockUltimate
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Spurrier only got the one natty, but it was impressive seeing him take two SEC programs that were not powerhouses and turn them into consistent winners
true, and I never mentioned anyoen specifically by name either. Spurrier would be one that I woulnd't have an issue being ranked higher. Not everythign is JUST about black and white wins and losses. Spurrier was also a revolutionary that completely changed how SEC football was played.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:07 am to VFL67
Kirby should be fourth on the list.
He's won at a higher clip than Steve in a tougher conference and has two champs to one.
Game was so different when Neyland was coaching that it's really hard to compare, but I guess he stays there.
The SEC championships pre SECCG should be valued maybe as half or 2/3rds of an SECCG title for a coach Harder to win it when there are no ties and you have to play the best or second best team to do it.
Example: Vince won several without having to play Bear's Alabama and shared the title with Bama at least once or twice without playing them.
He's won at a higher clip than Steve in a tougher conference and has two champs to one.
Game was so different when Neyland was coaching that it's really hard to compare, but I guess he stays there.
The SEC championships pre SECCG should be valued maybe as half or 2/3rds of an SECCG title for a coach Harder to win it when there are no ties and you have to play the best or second best team to do it.
Example: Vince won several without having to play Bear's Alabama and shared the title with Bama at least once or twice without playing them.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:09 am to VFL67
Dont really like Urban in the top ten.
He is too slimy to represent the SEC and his years are tarnished with stories of his team culture. Big 10 can claim him.
He is too slimy to represent the SEC and his years are tarnished with stories of his team culture. Big 10 can claim him.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:20 am to koreandawg
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Kirby should be fourth on the list.
He's won at a higher clip than Steve in a tougher conference and has two champs to one.
Eh I don't necessarly know if I agree quite yet. As mentioned just above, spurrier has that whole "changed the way the SEC plays football" thing going, and I don't think having SC as a top ~5 team 3 years in a row can be understated. he also has double the amount of SEC titles as kirby (SO FAR).
An argument can be made for kirby too but taking everything into account I wouldn' argue too hard against spurrier being that high.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:37 am to SEC Doctor
Combined national championships = 7.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:40 am to VFL67
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1. Nick Saban
2. Bear Bryant
3. Robert Neyland
4. Steve Spurrier
5. Johnny Vaught
6. Urban Meyer
7. Kirby SMart
8. Vince Dooley
9. Pat Dye
10. Shug Jordan
Honorable Mentions: Phillip Fulmer, Gene Stallings, Mark Rhict, Les Miles
Thoughts on this?
Good list...
1 and 2 are easy...
Neyland and Vaught were basically before integration so imma iffy with them...
Spurrier changed UF into a National power and is at/near 3/4 for me.
Urbans tenure was too short and his exit was bullshite...
Kirby is a work in progress, his rank is to be determined.
Vince is kinda at 11 for me on the outside looking in.
Sorry but Dye was a cheater and Shug had the same kinda record as Vince. I'd go with Stallings 9 and Richt/Miles 10 for their integrity.
frick Fulmer...
JMO....
Ready for the downvotes...lol
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:51 am to dallasga6
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Urbans tenure was too short and his exit was bullshite...
Kirby is a work in progress, his rank is to be determined.
kirby 100% belongs above urban, there is really not much of a debate to be had here.
-Kirby has more SEC titles than urban
-they have the same number of natties
-Kirby has a higher win percentage
-Urban had two "bad" (relative to expectations for both schools) year losing at least 4 games compared to only one for kirby (his first)
-On that note, urban had already been a HC at two other stops and was a seasoned pro by the time he got to UF. This was kirby's first ever HC gig.
I mean truly there is no rational or logical reason whatsoever for urban to rank higher on an "all time SEC football coaches" list ranking than kirby. none.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:57 am to WG_Dawg
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I mean truly there is no rational or logical reason whatsoever for urban to rank higher on an "all time SEC football coaches" list ranking than kirby. none.
I don't rank Urban in top 10, he was a mercenary, even with 2 Natties he doesnt belong on the top 10 list IMO...
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:18 pm to koreandawg
That is true but Kirby has also benefited from the playoffs. For example in 2021 they won the Natty but lost the SECCG. If he had been coaching in the 90s then he wouldnt have had a chance to win the natty. Lots of the all time coaches might have won more nattys with a playoff system but they also got more SEC titles. its definitely hard to pick out
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:45 pm to VFL67
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That is true but Kirby has also benefited from the playoffs. For example in 2021 they won the Natty but lost the SECCG. If he had been coaching in the 90s then he wouldnt have had a chance to win the natty
says who? In 2003 OU was #1 in every poll all season then got shellacked in the CCG but still made the title game.
that also ignores the fact that pre-playoffs teams only had to win 1 gmae to be national champs while in the playoff era you have to beat two top-4 teams in consecutive games.
What if Urban had to play michigan in 2006? Or Texas/USC immediatley after OU in 2008? Goes both ways.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:50 pm to WG_Dawg
Thats the point. Fulmer, Spurrier, Dye, and Stallings would have benefited greatly from the playoffs. However, coaches like Dooley and Majors benefited by winning more SEC titles than they otherwise wouldve. Thats what makes comparing eras hard.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:58 pm to schatman
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I also agree that Stallings doesn't get the credit he deserves- that 91 team was excellent as well. Everyone only ever talks about 92.
His 94 team was 1 point away from an undefeated season as well.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:00 pm to SEC Doctor
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Combined SEC wins: 0
Also not true.
Especially for Stoops he owned the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:09 pm to VFL67
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Thats the point. Fulmer, Spurrier, Dye, and Stallings would have benefited greatly from the playoffs
I mean...they MIGHT have. They also might have a shitton less titles than they actually do. Common sense tells us that playing 2 top-4 teams to end the season is more difficult than playing 1. And it was only 1998-2013 that you were even guaranteed to play a top team for the title. Pre-BCS you could play a team barely ranked in the top 20 for a chance for the title.
If anything the playoffs would have helped a guy like Richt more than anyone; a guy that was on the cusp numerous times but with zero actual titles. It's not out of the realm of possibilty that richt has 3 national titles if the playoffs existed from 2002-2012.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:13 pm to VFL67
Unpopular opinion time, but
Bobby Dodd deserves to be on the list. He had a 165-64-8 record, two conference championships, and a national championship. Yes, Tech left, but it still counts.
Bobby Dodd deserves to be on the list. He had a 165-64-8 record, two conference championships, and a national championship. Yes, Tech left, but it still counts.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:20 pm to Leopold
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Bobby Dodd deserves to be on the list. He had a 165-64-8 SEC record, two conference championships, and a national championship. Yes, Tech left, but it still counts.
He is ON the list, somewhere...but it's primarily due to longevity and he doesn't belong anywhere near the top. You can't be one of the greatest coaches of all time, in a league with some of the best to ever do it, with two conference titles and 1* natty. Let any good coach (nobody denies that he was at least good) be at the same school for 20 years and they're going to rack up wins.
*People on this board love to shite on UGA's 1942 and 1946 title claims based on the selectors that chose us for them. In 1952 tech finished 2nd in both major polls and was only selected champion by some retroactive computer bullshite and some nobodies of the time.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:40 pm to schatman
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that 91 team was excellent as well. Everyone only ever talks about 92.
Probably because that '91 Alabama lived on the edge from October until the bowl game. They looked absolutely unstoppable in September, the Florida game notwithstanding, but starting with the Third Saturday in October they really struggled:
vs. #8 Tennessee (W) 24-19
vs. Mississippi State (W) 13-7
@ LSU (W) 20-17
@ Memphis State (W) 10-7
vs. Auburn (W) 13-6
vs. #15 Colorado (W) 30-25 [1991 Blockbuster Bowl]
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