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re: SEC 7-1 Conference Schedule Model - One permanent opponent
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:44 am to FAT SEXY
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:44 am to FAT SEXY
SEC should just go to 9 game schedule, play 3 permanent rivals and then rotate the remaining 12 playing 6 on odd years, and 6 on even years and you play every single team home and away in a 4 year period. The SEC has too many ebbs and flows of programs being consistently good to have a random set schedule.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:01 pm to rolltideroyalty
Might as well do away with all permanent opponents. Doesn't really make sense when half the teams don't have in-state conference rivals.
Maybe allow the ones who want to keep it make that a 9th conference game.
It sucks, but not nearly as hard as the other shite they've done to the conference/game.
Maybe allow the ones who want to keep it make that a 9th conference game.
It sucks, but not nearly as hard as the other shite they've done to the conference/game.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:09 pm to kczoutiger
What difference does the conference schedule model make? There isn't one on this earth that doesn't have these national-caliber SEC teams beating the hell out of each other.
As long as Boise State, UNLV, Iowa State Arizona State, Clemson, SMU, and Indiana go before better teams after the regular season, how many SEC spots do you think exist going forward?
What an exercise in futility.
As long as Boise State, UNLV, Iowa State Arizona State, Clemson, SMU, and Indiana go before better teams after the regular season, how many SEC spots do you think exist going forward?
What an exercise in futility.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:30 pm to bamameister
Its more of trying to balance out the actual conference games with every team actually trying to play each other.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:32 pm to rolltideroyalty
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and then use the winning % based random draw for the remaining 8 games
This, in theory, could cause you to never play another conference member.
Never.
Unacceptable.
We already had certain teams never face each other during the 12 years between expansions.
It needs to be pods (they help preserve rivalries) that rotate to join together into a divisions that then have nearly equal schedules inside the division and create a very low likelihood of championship game rematches.
Pods A+B for two years
Pods A+C for two years
Pods A+D for two years
That makes 7 conference games 3 inside your pod/4 from the pod included in the temporary division.
That'll allow one or two conference games to keep other rivalries if you do 8/9 conference game schedule. Or you could just schedule those rivalries as non-conference games or as not counting in the division standings that determine who plays in the SECCG.
This is the most balanced and fair approach that keeps the vast majority of traditional yearly rivalry games. And, it makes rotating through all other conference members happen quickly.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:44 pm to NickPapageorgio
quote:I like this idea in theory, and it has worked for other conferences, but those rivalries although storied, have little to no impact on who plays for the conference title and larger CFP implications.
Or you could just schedule those rivalries as non-conference games
I can't imagine a 10-1 Alabama or Texas playing a 9-2 Auburn or Texas A&M the last game of the season and knowing it has no impact on who plays in Atlanta because those games are OOC due to the pod scheduling and the field in Atlanta is already set.
I want to keep CFB resembling something close to what I grew to absolutely love. In a 3x Perms/6x Rotating there are going to be teams that regularly have tougher schedules than others. Just from this thread, State would likely have Ole Miss, Alabama, and LSU as it's 3x Perms in a 3/6 schedule. That's fricking rough especially considering where State is at as a program (I know you are an Ole Miss fan so likely would love that for them, but I'm trying to be as impartial as possible).
9 conference games (3/6), 3x OOC games with at least 1x G4 OOC. Or go the opposite way with it and do 6x SEC games (3/3) and everyone can load up on the Sisters of the Poor in OOC.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 12:51 pm to bamameister
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There isn't one on this earth that doesn't have these national-caliber SEC teams beating the hell out of each other.
All the more reason to do pods and 7 game conference schedule.
Keeping a handful of rivalries as nonconferemce is purely optional for the schools.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:17 pm to Murph4HOF
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I want to keep CFB resembling something close to what I grew to absolutely love.
As do I.
My proposed pod did not have MSU playing those three exactly.
I would put Ark/LSU/OM/MSU in a pod. That's one of the easier of my pods so I'm not sure how MSU could get an easier draw annually. There has to be some effort at balance inside the pods but, really, that's not as important as the creating of identical (or nearly identical) division schedules each year.
When that pod joins with my Bama/UT/AU/Vandy pod.....to create a temporary division....they play identical 7 game conference schedules.
We could add 1/2 perms or floating type games that count to ensure AU/UGA and LSU/A&M, stuff like that that. It would kick off the overall fairness to win your division that way but it would allow even more rivalries to be maintained while creating as near to a fair division schedule as we could possibly get.....that also rotates through the entire conference every 6 years.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:24 pm to southernboisb
quote:LSU is paired up with the other 9 charter members of the SEC
So LSU & SC are paired up with teams from the OPPOSITE side of the conference (like Mizz. has been doing).
SC is paired up with the other 9 johnny come latelies
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:56 pm to southernboisb
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WHY wouldn’t they play ALL their podmates each year?
They do.
3 pod mates every year
For LSU in pod B, that means games every year against Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Texas A&M.
1 game against their permanent opponent. That means Arkansas every year for LSU.
Two home, Two Away, Four Total.
The other three pods would rotate onto the schedule:
Two pods at a time, two teams from each pod, Two home, Two Away, Four Total.
That makes for an 8 game schedule.
You see every team at least twice in each 8 year span (that could mean back to back, as in what I proposed, or once every 4 years (at a minimum).
ETA, the only yearly rivalry that seems to be impacted is Tennessee and Vandy.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:37 pm to NickPapageorgio
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All the more reason to do pods and 7 game conference schedule.
Keeping a handful of rivalries as nonconferemce is purely optional for the schools.
Will never happen. The only hope for this mess is to blow it up. That is a Sankey problem and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the early returns.
The number of teams in the playoff is irrelevant. Either they are the BEST teams, regardless of CCG or we are going to continue to have as many pretenders as contenders.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:41 pm to FAT SEXY
The overthinking of scheduling is single-handedly the most irritating thing about this conference. Everything else is great - but instead of just doing the simple thing by having true east and west divisions, playing your division and a couple cross-division... This stupid conference gets so bogged down in creating manufactured rivalries and permanent opponents and other hogshite that should be driven by league divisional structure.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:45 pm to BigOrangeKen
Go to 9 and ditch the pussy FCS game in November
Three permanent rivals. Then play home and away against 6 other teams year 1 and 2. And home and away against the other 6 years 3 and 4.
Guarantees you play everyone at least twice every 4 years.
Three permanent rivals. Then play home and away against 6 other teams year 1 and 2. And home and away against the other 6 years 3 and 4.
Guarantees you play everyone at least twice every 4 years.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:25 pm to rolltideroyalty
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SO to prevent that you would HAVE TO go to an ALL CONFERENCE-schedule, but out of conference rivalries, exist.. so to preserve these non-con rivalries... you mandate that every team must schedule 1 out of conference game and you mandate that, it is a power 4 game.
& I'll post the standard "4 SEC teams have in-state ACC rivals & therefore would not have an open slot to schedule anybody."
UNLESS you're stating that the requirements for a p/o team is A - based ONLY by conf. games or B - conf. games & a P4 game. The issue is how do you determine which games those are (ex.: somebody plays 2 P4 teams)?
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:47 pm to kczoutiger
So, you're also saying "EVEN years gives us 4 or 5H games, while ODD gives us the other H games".
How do you determine who gets which yearly setup?
How do you determine who gets which yearly setup?
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:48 pm to HarryBalzack
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Might as well do away with all permanent opponents. Doesn't really make sense when half the teams don't have in-state conference rivals.
Maybe allow the ones who want to keep it make that a 9th conference game.
HOW are you setting up a conference with 8 AND 9 conf. games?
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:53 pm to NickPapageorgio
Pods also keep the flexibility of games between certain schools if they're in different groups. & an easy format if/when expansion occurs (* catch is conference size would have to be divisible by 4).
"That'll allow one or two conference games to keep other rivalries if you do 8/9 conference game schedule. Or you could just schedule those rivalries as non-conference games or as not counting in the division standings that determine who plays in the SECCG."
WHY should a conf. rivalry game NOT count as a conf. game (it STILL counts in the rivalry history)?
"That'll allow one or two conference games to keep other rivalries if you do 8/9 conference game schedule. Or you could just schedule those rivalries as non-conference games or as not counting in the division standings that determine who plays in the SECCG."
WHY should a conf. rivalry game NOT count as a conf. game (it STILL counts in the rivalry history)?
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:59 pm to FearlessFreep
& geographically on the opposite side.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:03 pm to MtVernon
In SEC's defense, you DID leave a conference that was small enough for EVERYBODY to play EVERYBODY each year.
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