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re: Seahawks' Tom Cable: Spread systems do a huge disservice to offensive players
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:51 am to AUCE05
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:51 am to AUCE05
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Just because something is different, doesn't make it wrong.
And just because something is different doesn't make it right either.
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People like Cable want things simple, and for him to make a ton of money without thinking.
He wants his offensive players to think. You have to in the NFL. Defenses are faster, more complex, and more intelligent then the average defense you face in college. You can't just make one read and, if it's not there, run for the first down in the NFL. You have to know where to throw the ball and when to throw it. A lot of spread schemes in college do not teach you how to do this. The NFL is a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't win in the first two or three years, you're fired. So coaches in the pros can't afford to spend extended periods of time teaching former spread QBs how to play in a pro-style system.
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Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:52 am to Prettyboy Floyd
I see you reference Luck, who was considered the best talent since Manning. What about Mark Sanchez? Matt Laniert? Matthew Stafford? These guys have had terrible pro careers.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:53 am to AUCE05
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Just because something is different, doesn't make it wrong. People like Cable want things simple, and for him to make a ton of money without thinking.
I think what makes it wrong to him is that he's having to teach them literally everything because they know nothing and don't know how to do anything when they get to the NFL. If NFL coaches are having to waste time teaching offensive linemen how to read a defense, then the whole idea of college football - as it pertains to preparing someone to play in the NFL - is completely pointless. Just create "minor leagues" like baseball and draft them out of high school until they're big enough to play in the NFL.
The problem is that defensive players in the NFL are SMART. In order to be effective on offense, you have to be smart and fundamentally sound.
Cable is pissed off because the people coming to him from college spread teams don't know anything and can't do anything. That makes it pretty hard to be successful at any career.
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Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:53 am to AUCE05
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Matthew Stafford? These guys have had terrible pro careers.
What are you babbling about?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:53 am to RollTide1987
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He wants his offensive players to think. You have to in the NFL. Defenses are faster, more complex, and more intelligent then the average defense you face in college. You can't just make one read and, if it's not there, run for the first down in the NFL. You have to know where to throw the ball and when to throw it. A lot of spread schemes in college do not teach you how to do this. The NFL is a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't win in the first two or three years, you're fired. So coaches in the pros can't afford to spend extended periods of time teaching former spread QBs how to play in a pro-style system.
All of this. Nailed it.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:54 am to AUCE05
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Matthew Stafford
Srsly?
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:56 am to RollTide1987
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He wants his offensive players to think. You have to in the NFL. Defenses are faster, more complex, and more intelligent then the average defense you face in college. You can't just make one read and, if it's not there, run for the first down in the NFL. You have to know where to throw the ball and when to throw it. A lot of spread schemes in college do not teach you how to do this. The NFL is a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't win in the first two or three years, you're fired. So coaches in the pros can't afford to spend extended periods of time teaching former spread QBs how to play in a pro-style system.
Is there no one they can draft that would fit this bill?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:56 am to AUCE05
Stafford has had a great career thus far. What are you talking about? 
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:57 am to Tuscaloosa
Spread sucks. Pussy ball
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:57 am to piggidyphish
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Is there no one they can draft that would fit this bill?
Not enough apparently
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:58 am to Tuscaloosa
Well maybe he should draft the players that know how to do those things. If he doesn't want to teach players that, then don't draft them.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:58 am to AUCE05
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I see you reference Luck
I referenced him to RG3 who was taken right behind him. Lots of teams thought RG3 was the best player in the draft and looking at his college highlights you can see why. However, RG3 was never asked to make reads in college. He never had to go under center. He never had to do the things that are required in the pros. The spread QB's are busting all over the place. It took Alex Smith 6 or so years before he became a servicable qb in the NFL. THis isn't rocket science.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:59 am to Crowknowsbest
There's plenty. They're just pissed they have to teach the most talented linemen how to read defenses. In other words, they want the work to be done for them before they draft the player
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:59 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Well maybe he should draft the players that know how to do those things.
There are very few left. It's like finding a easter egg. When you get one like Andrew Luck you thank your lucky fricking stars because you just won the lottery.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:01 am to Tuscaloosa
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I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying when those college players get into the NFL, they are very poor at fundamentals and have a severe lack of football knowledge because of how simple spread systems in college are.
LOL
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:01 am to Henry Jones Jr
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They're just pissed they have to teach the most talented linemen how to read defenses. In other words, they want the work to be done for them before they draft the player
No kidding. Wouldn't you want that?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:01 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Well maybe he should draft the players that know how to do those things.
It's becoming harder to do that because they are becoming fewer.
As a result you are probably going to see more rule changes in he NFL that go out of their way to help the offense, further ruining the professional brand.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:01 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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When you get one like Andrew Luck you thank your lucky fricking stars because you just won the lottery.
You don't mean that to say that if every other team ran a pro style offense, then picking up andrew luck wouldn't still be reason enough to thank your lucky stars...ie if everyone ran a pro style offense there'd be more andrew lucks out there?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:02 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Well maybe he should draft the players that know how to do those things. If he doesn't want to teach players that, then don't draft them.
They've had some decent drafts recently.
That's one reason why I think James Carpenter was drafted by them in the 1st round. Nobody was expecting it and even Saban looked shocked when they called his name. They moved him to guard and he played well for them when he was healthy. Just signed a new deal with the Jets.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:02 am to RollTide1987
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further ruining the professional brand
here we go.
over/under at 2 more pages before "basketball on grass"
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 9:03 am
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