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Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:07 pm to Ghost of Colby
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:07 pm to Ghost of Colby
Okay.....just so we can see your thinking, exactly how would you set that up?
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:09 pm to Locoguan0
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Keeping two divisions, shifting Mizzou, Bama, and Auburn only really effects one team's rivalries, LSU. Everything else would be preserved.
I know Disney/ABC/ESPN will have the rights to SEC games in the next couple of years and everybody in the conference gets a significant raaise when this happens. Either 23 or 24, I forget. But my point is that when CBS had the contract, LSU and Bama was usually a prime time game for a good reason. Clearly, this is the one CBS felt would get the best ratings. I don't see the SEC sacrificing that cash cow by moving Bama to the east. We are talking about the traditionaly most watched regular season conference game of the year.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:10 pm to southernboisb
Pods won’t work in a 3-2-2-2 schedule!
It will be a freaking nightmare in tie situations which you are more likely to run into with more teams!
Only way a Pod system will work is in a 3-4-1-1 schedule. So the fan bases don’t go bat shot crazy when there are ties. But in effect all you are doing is creating to divisions in that model it is just that the divisions switch up every year.
The simplest, and the way you will have the least issues would be divisions!!!
But Bama doesn’t want to move to the East so they don’t have to play UF & UGA every year!!
So we will see, but Bama wants no part of those two teams every year so we will see how this all shakes out. But divisions is how it should go until there are too many teams to play everyone in the division!
It will be a freaking nightmare in tie situations which you are more likely to run into with more teams!
Only way a Pod system will work is in a 3-4-1-1 schedule. So the fan bases don’t go bat shot crazy when there are ties. But in effect all you are doing is creating to divisions in that model it is just that the divisions switch up every year.
The simplest, and the way you will have the least issues would be divisions!!!
But Bama doesn’t want to move to the East so they don’t have to play UF & UGA every year!!
So we will see, but Bama wants no part of those two teams every year so we will see how this all shakes out. But divisions is how it should go until there are too many teams to play everyone in the division!
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:10 pm to Ghost of Colby
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I’ve never understood why there can’t be exceptions for rivalry games.
Auburn-UGA
LSU-Florida
Bama-Tenn
Why have the 8 other schools been forced into a cross-divisional “rivalry” game because the conference wants to keep those 3 marquee games?
There’s no reason Auburn and Georgia can’t play every year even if they wind up in different pods. Exceptions can be made for rivalry games, regardless of the new alignment.
Ghost of Colby: Not being flippant here but just to reiterate, the 4 non-negotiable games since the 1992 expansion (Arkansas and SCAR) are 1) Bama/Auburn, 2) UGA/Auburn, 3) Florida/UGA and 4) Bama/TENN.
Bama and Auburn and UGA and Florida were put in the West and East, respectively, Bama/TENN and Auburn/UGA were permanent cross-division opponents.
The POD system that the SEC Network put out is not going to work as LSU was in a POD with Ole Miss, Miss. State and Texas A&M.
Florida was in a POD with UGA/SCAR/UK
Alabama was in a POD with Auburn/TENN/Vandy
Texas was in a POD with Arkansas/OU/MIZZOU.
the 3 POD plus 2 teams from each of the other 3 PODs for 6 other games, 9 total in years 1 and 2 then in years 3 and 4 the other 6.
The problem with that POD system is Auburn and UGA are not in the same POD. So unless you just drop the PODS and Divisions and just have 3 Permanent Opponents, and play 6 teams again in years 1 and 2 then the other 6 in years 3 and 4, there is no way LSU will keep for example the LSU and Florida game.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:12 pm to Dudebro2
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Pods won’t work in a 3-2-2-2 schedule!
It will be a freaking nightmare in tie situations which you are more likely to run into with more teams!
Only way a Pod system will work is in a 3-4-1-1 schedule. So the fan bases don’t go bat shot crazy when there are ties. But in effect all you are doing is creating to divisions in that model it is just that the divisions switch up every year.
The simplest, and the way you will have the least issues would be divisions!!!
But Bama doesn’t want to move to the East so they don’t have to play UF & UGA every year!!
So we will see, but Bama wants no part of those two teams every year so we will see how this all shakes out. But divisions is how it should go until there are too many teams to play everyone in the division!
Where have you heard Bama doesn't want to go East? If they get to keep Auburn and TENN, they are not worried where they go.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:14 pm to viceman
So, what's your suggestion on how to set things up to keep Ala.-LSU?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:16 pm to viceman
They can schedule it so that we're playing one of OU, Texas, A&M, or LSU every year. I think all of those games could match LSU-Alabama viewership.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:18 pm to southernboisb
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So, what's your suggestion on how to set things up to keep Ala.-LSU?
Under the scenarios I have seen, that game is going to the rotation, just as LSU/FLorida and LSU/Auburn.
Those good LSU games are the sacrificial games to keep the Bama/Auburn, Auburn/UGA, UGA/Florida and TENN/Bama.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:18 pm to Dudebro2
But, the downside with divisions is it'll take 8 years to do a full H/H rotation with the other side.
So you'ld be fine seeing a particular matchup every 4 years (8 depending who the H team is)?
That's the catch on using divisions.
So you'ld be fine seeing a particular matchup every 4 years (8 depending who the H team is)?
That's the catch on using divisions.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:19 pm to Bama Bird
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They can schedule it so that we're playing one of OU, Texas, A&M, or LSU every year. I think all of those games could match LSU-Alabama viewership.
I think you are correct, but LSU in a West with just Ole Miss and State from the charter members and then Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, OU, MIZZOU is kind of concerning.
All the BS that went on in the old SWC and Big 12 between Aggie and Texas is coming here. And LSU is going to be caught dead in the middle of this stuff.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:23 pm to JKChesterton
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So, what's your suggestion on how to set things up to keep Ala.-LSU?
Under the scenarios I have seen, that game is going to the rotation, just as LSU/FLorida and LSU/Auburn.
Those good LSU games are the sacrificial games to keep the Bama/Auburn, Auburn/UGA, UGA/Florida and TENN/Bama.
So you're putting LSU, Auburn, Alabama, & Florida all in the same pod? Or how does your "rotation" work?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:23 pm to southernboisb
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So, what's your suggestion on how to set things up to keep Ala.-LSU?
I don't have that answer right now. Hectic at work and I'm way behind the news on this subject. But I think the real question is if the sacrifice of that game is worth it? Tex/LSU and OU/LSU might be enough to do it. It would also give us Bama/UGA and Bama UF, every year, which would get good ratings too. But then again we have to consider LSU in this too. I mean is it really fair for them to play Bama, OU, Tex, and UF every year?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:24 pm to southernboisb
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But, the downside with divisions is it'll take 8 years to do a full H/H rotation with the other side.
You are correct, unless you go to a 10game SEC schedule and have 3 crossover games!
Hell I am tired of teams like Bama, LSU, UGA, UF, Auburn et al....... scheduling of these high school teams anyway!
Who wants to watch that bullshite. Have it where you have one tune-up game 1st game of the year and then one more game during the season.
That will work perfectly if done that way!
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:26 pm to viceman
& you've understood why I created this thread. So many people want different things, but they're unsure how to achieve that. & then, by fixing one situation, does that undo something else?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:30 pm to Dudebro2
Now personally, I'll have to disagree with 10 games.
That would be for Florida, SC, & Kentucky.....all due to our in-state ACC rival (which would be Game 11). That only leaves us 1 game (#12) to schedule whomever, while the rest of the conference has 2 slots (games 11 & 12).
On the flip side, an even # of games PREVENTS the 5/4 lopsided occurrence.
That would be for Florida, SC, & Kentucky.....all due to our in-state ACC rival (which would be Game 11). That only leaves us 1 game (#12) to schedule whomever, while the rest of the conference has 2 slots (games 11 & 12).
On the flip side, an even # of games PREVENTS the 5/4 lopsided occurrence.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:33 pm to southernboisb
The best solution would be 3 + 6 scheduling where each school plays three permanent rivals each year and then six rotating schools for a complete home and away cycle with each school every four years. Here's an example that another user posted.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:39 pm to southernboisb
I have seen the conference ignore geography to give Bama what they want. Best program in the money sport, carries some clout. Without being as informed on what is going on behind the scenes as all of the experts on this board, if I look at history, Bama gets what they want. I think that is to stay in the west. So I still find it hard to believe that Bama will be in the East. LSU aside, are the faculties(not the fans) of Arky, State, and Ole Miss not going to be upset about not getting to play Bama anymore? Ole Miss in particular because they have a couple of wins over Bama in recent years. A win over Bama is such a huge boost for a program and these schools would lose an opportunity for that. Moving Bama upsets the apple cart too much. I bet they decide to ignore geography over messing with Bama just like they did before. Like I said that LSU/Bama game this century gets a lot tv sets. I know they don;t want to mess with that.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:42 pm to bah7tea
Uh.....NO! I'm NOT for creating tiebreakers to sort teams due to the lack of common opponents.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:53 pm to southernboisb
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So you're putting LSU, Auburn, Alabama, & Florida all in the same pod? Or how does your "rotation" work?
No they can't be in the same POD. The only way to keep some of LSU's "heated games" (not using term rival) would be to have some permanent opponents
POD1: LSU/Arkansas/Ole Miss and Miss State.
POD2: OU/Texas/MIZZOU/Texas A&M
POD3: Bama/Auburn/TENN/VANDY
POD4: FLorida/UGA/UK/SCAR
You can have POD1 and POD2 in West and POD3 and POD4 in the East.
The winner of the West would be the team with best record, even though LSU would not play everyone in POD2, sort of like everyone does not play everyone in the NFL
So LSU would play its 3 POD teams and play 1 team as a permanent from each POD, So if LSU keeps Florida from POD4, and lets say Auburn from POD3 and Texas A&M from POD1. If LSU keeps Bama from POD3, then they play MIZZOU rather than Texas A&M.
They play the other teams on a rotating basis. So LSU would keep 2 of the 3 games among Bama/Florida/Auburn.
The other teams from PODS 2, 3 and 4 would rotate 3 in year 1 and 2, 3 in years 3 and 4 and 3 in years 5 and 6, starting in 7 and then 8, you go back to 1.
It does keep some of LSU's traditional games.
As an extreme alternative, go to 10 games and everyone has 5 permanents and play 5 teams in years 1 and 2 then the other 5 in years 3 and 4.
With 5 permanent games, LSU could keep most of its traditional games: Ole Miss, Miss. State, Auburn, Florida, Bama or Texas A&M.
Having 5 of those 6 would be the ones that I think most LSU fans would want. Arkansas is not a must game.
No Divisions, top 2 teams go to Atlanta.
With 5 Permanent Games, UGA could keep the 5 most important games on your schedule, Auburn could keep theirs.
I know some give and take would have to happen and LSU might not get 5 they want, but it gives more of a chance keep more than just Ole Miss and Miss. State on our schedule from the charter members of the SEC.
A West with LSU, Ole Miss and Miss. State with Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, MIZZOU and OU is like LSU joined the old SWC/Big 8.
And with all this crap blowing up with Texas A&M's Regents planning to file a grievance against the SEC due to Texas coming in is putting LSU into the situation that caused the SWC and Big 12 to implode.
Man screw that.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:04 pm to viceman
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have seen the conference ignore geography to give Bama what they want. Best program in the money sport, carries some clout. Without being as informed on what is going on behind the scenes as all of the experts on this board, if I look at history, Bama gets what they want. I think that is to stay in the west. So I still find it hard to believe that Bama will be in the East. LSU aside, are the faculties(not the fans) of Arky, State, and Ole Miss not going to be upset about not getting to play Bama anymore? Ole Miss in particular because they have a couple of wins over Bama in recent years. A win over Bama is such a huge boost for a program and these schools would lose an opportunity for that. Moving Bama upsets the apple cart too much. I bet they decide to ignore geography over messing with Bama just like they did before. Like I said that LSU/Bama game this century gets a lot tv sets. I know they don;t want to mess with that.
Despite your waving the Bama flag, this seems a little more of challenge for Bama to get "everything you want"
Lets go with what you and I know, with no smack talk. 2 of the 4 historic rival games are Bama/Auburn and Bama/TENN.
Now how do you get Bama/Auburn/TENN in the West, with 5 other teams. Who are those teams? Who goes to the East.
If Auburn is in the West, then one of the other 2 historic rivals games is in trouble, Auburn/UGA. UGA and FLorida, the 4th one is safe because they are in the East.
So are you honestly telling me that you are willing to give up BAMA/TENN? I don't believe that.
A West with LSU/Auburn/Bama/TENN that gives Bama the two games that have been non-negotiable since the original expansion of 1992 is not tenable. Who are the other 4 teams? Arkansas/MIZZOU/Ole Miss and MSU,
Texas, Texas A&M, OU and one of those 4?
I just don't see anyway LSU/Bama happens except on rotation given those 4 non-negotiable games.
Like you said, Bama/UGA and Bama/Florida would be given prime TV slots if LSU/Florida and LSU/Bama goes away.
I guess LSU/OU and LSU/Texas would be the two games the league markets for LSU, along with Aggie/LSU.
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