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re: Saban on Lane Kiffin's Notepad
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:40 am to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:40 am to 1BamaRTR
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It’s funny. You might be the only Bama fan saying this but somehow convinced these Ole Miss fans most Bama fans believe this
It’s the most logical explanation for what we saw last year, IMO. Otherwise, it’s a complete anomaly that not only wasn’t duplicated against our defense - but that Ole Miss was unable to duplicate against any other team. They put up fewer yards against Vandy.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:41 am to WilliamTaylor21
647 and an L.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:41 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Was it 700 or 800 yards
647
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:53 am to Tuscaloosa
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It’s the most logical explanation for what we saw last year,
Yeah that’s not how it works. You have zero actual proof.
It doesn’t excuse the missed tackles which was a large part of it. There like 20+ of them. Corral escaped like 4 sacks. Yeboah’s long TD reception came because a Bama DB jumped to intercept a little too late. In a lot of Ole Miss’s biggest plays on the ground and through the air, Bama players were in position to make them not big plays. But they failed.
It’s also not like we haven’t seen the defense, particularly at ILB, look lost. It just happened versus Ole Miss more frequently. Just look at the first half of the Georgia game.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:58 am to 1BamaRTR
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Yeah that’s not how it works. You have zero actual proof.
Why do I need proof to logically come to that conclusion based on raw data and common sense?
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It doesn’t excuse the missed tackles which was a large part of it.
I don’t disagree with that at all. There’s no mutual exclusivity with that, either.
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It’s also not like we haven’t seen the defense, particularly at ILB, look lost.
I think they were out of position frequently - more frequently than in any other game in the Saban era, and I think one of the contributing factors was Ole Miss’ coaching staff having access to at least some of our calls/signals.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:04 am to Tuscaloosa
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647
Holy f-f-f-fuck that’s a lot!
mUh DeFeNsiVe MiStErMinD!
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:08 am to Tuscaloosa
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It’s also not like we haven’t seen the defense, particularly at ILB, look lost.
We had babies in the woods at linebacker last year. Guess what? They've gotten bigger, stronger and more experienced since this game last was played.
Well, we wasn't scared then and we sure as heck won't be this time either.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:09 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Holy f-f-f-frick that’s a lot!
mUh DeFeNsiVe MiStErMinD!
Crazy, right! Ole Miss put up more yards against a Saban defense with multiple All-SEC players that finished the year as the top scoring defense in the league than they did against Vanderbilt.
Totally normal. We were just out of position.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:16 am to pankReb
OP isn't bitching. But you seem pretty butthurt
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:17 am to lewis and herschel
They need to do this. Have to make it a little more obvious for the normies who don't follow as closely as we do, but would be a good bit
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:17 am to WilliamTaylor21
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647
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Holy f-f-f-frick that’s a lot!
Yeah.
Luckily, though, Alabama gained 723 yards.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:24 am to Tuscaloosa
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come to that conclusion based on raw data and common sense?
Yeah that’s not how it works. You’re coming to a conclusion with no actual proof. You’re saying with absolute certainty that you know it happened. You’re assuming there’s no other possible reason if them to give up that much yardage. You sound like an LSU or AU fan with regards muh REC and refs.
I brought up the massive amount of missed tackles to explain away some of the yardage given. That’s one other possible reason. Having 20-25 missed tackles as opposed to 10 can turn a 500 yard game into a 650 yard game.
I know you still disagree. But did A&M steal signs in 2014? How about Auburn in 2014? How about Ole Miss in 2016? Outliers happen. Or do you think every outlier in sports is because someone else cheated? Are you saying outliers are impossible to happen in real life?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:32 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Holy f-f-f-frick that’s a lot!
Costello's 623 yards lead Miss. St. past No. 6 LSU, 44-34.
Sep 26, 2020
BATON ROUGE, La. -- New Mississippi State coach Mike Leach put his "Air Raid" offense in the hands of a transfer quarterback who showed up over the summer and the results were like nothing defending national champion LSU or the Southeastern Conference has ever seen.
K.J. Costello passed for an SEC record 623 yards and five touchdowns and the Bulldogs knocked off sixth-ranked LSU 44-34 on Saturday.
Wow...
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:36 am to Bamawaterfowl
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Costello's 623 yards lead Miss. St. past No. 6 LSU
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:37 am to pankReb
Definition of bitching:
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Expressing displeasure. Google is your
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Best friend.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:53 am to Deuces
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Say what you want about Kiffin. The guy’s smart. He humbled himself after a mediocre head coaching stint and became OC for the best coach in the game. There, he listened to the man and learned as much as he could.
He leveraged this and got back to the head coaching game is now a head coach in the best conference in college football. On top of that, he gets all of the cute college chicks a man can want…
I've got no problem with this, even though he's on the other side now.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:53 am to 1BamaRTR
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Yeah that’s not how it works. You’re coming to a conclusion with no actual proof.
That’s exactly how life works, isn’t it? Every scientific textbook you’ve ever studied is heavily founded on theory derived from logical observation. It’s simply easier for me to believe that something was awry than it is for me to believe Ole Miss put the most talented defense in the SEC in a position they couldn’t even put Vanderbilt in, and that same out of position defense magically didn’t have that same issue against teams with much more talent. Combine that with the fact that Ole Miss had multiple former Bama staffers…
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But did A&M steal signs in 2014?
Are you referring to the game they won in 2012? I’m going to say their 29 points and 418 yards of offense don’t lead me to that conclusion, no.
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How about Auburn in 2014?
Put up fewer yards & points than Ole Miss in 2020.
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How about Ole Miss in 2016?
Put up 120+ fewer yards than Ole Miss in 2020. The Ole Miss teams that actually beat us put up 200+ fewer yards.
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Or do you think every outlier in sports is because someone else cheated?
No, and I never said Ole Miss cheated. I said I believe they had our calls/signals.
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Are you saying outliers are impossible to happen in real life?
No. I’m saying in this specific instance, there is a mountain of anecdotal & circumstantial evidence to suggest that outlier was caused by something other than accidental magic.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:02 am to Tuscaloosa
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I said I believe they had our calls/signals.
So, when Alabama gets a new DC, the new DC uses the old calls/signals?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:07 am to Pickle_Weasel
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So, when Alabama gets a new DC, the new DC uses the old calls/signals?
I’m not sure. Those signals could have been had in multiple ways, but yes - it’s possible signals carry over. It’s also possible they did a simple film study & noted signal/formation matches - which would make the most sense & is fairly common.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:14 am to Tuscaloosa
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Every scientific textbook you’ve ever studied is heavily founded on theory derived from logical observation.
That have more proofs and more evidence then what you’re suggesting. You are assuming there are no possible other explanations. You think it’s impossible there are other things that could explain it.
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Are you referring to the game they won in 2012? I’m going to say their 29 points and 418 yards of offense don’t lead me to that conclusion, no.
I literally said 2014. They put up over 600 yards and 42 points.
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Put up fewer yards & points than Ole Miss in 2020.
They put up 17 fewer yards and 4 fewer points. Nick Marshall, the running QB, put up over 400 passing yards. An outlier for his career.
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Put up 120+ fewer yards than Ole Miss in 2020. The Ole Miss teams that actually beat us put up 200+ fewer yards.
Again that’s why I brought up the missed tackles. You recognize the missed tackles were frequently an issue in that 2020 game. Alabama had a crazy number of them. So what do you think happens if that team only misses 10 tackles as opposed to like 23? They most likely give up way fewer yards and points. And I’m not talking 50 fewer yards and 3 fewer points. It’s totally possible if Alabama does only a mediocre, but not horrific job, tackling job Ole Miss puts up no where near as many yards or points. One of the long TD drives Ole Miss has? Yeah that doesn’t happen because Corral gets sacked for 8 yards on 3rd down.
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No. I’m saying in this specific instance, there is a mountain of anecdotal & circumstantial evidence to suggest that outlier was caused by something other than accidental magic.
There isn’t a “mountain”. You’re pointing to the yardage. Missed tackles could explain much of that. Like I said, if Bama does half a better job, Ole Miss has no where near as many yards or points.
A defense also being out of place more then usual due to coaching or early season struggles is a possibility.
Do I know with a 100% certainty Ole Miss didn’t steal signs? No. But neither do you know it actually happened. Yet you keep trotting it out like it’s a fact. That’s my point.
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