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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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.......and Jones still had to sit out the next season. Just like Smith could do.
Jones had 2 years of eligibility left
Smith is graduating and therefore eligible to play now
that is the difference
Miles let Jones go to bama as soon as AU told him they had no schollys left
Miles is a better man than Saban as well as myself
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:43 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I'm not sure why this example keeps getting used.
ask cajunbama
I think the point is that jones technically could play this year
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:44 am to thunderbird1100
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There are rules. Have your starting 5th db come to alabama and see if les releases him...
quote:What's your point? Mo Smith can go straight to UGA, but he'll have to sit a year just like Phelon Jones.
Like Phelon Jones?
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:47 am to RT1941
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Mo Smith can go straight to UGA, but he'll have to sit a year just like Phelon Jones.
graduate transfer exception rule is one frequently used. I don't know how some aren't grasping this.
Jones HAD to sit out. He had 2 years of eligibility left. He did not fall into the graduate transfer exception. Smith does. I agree with Saban and his line of thinking, don't get me wrong. I'm simply saying the Jones situation and Smith situationa re far different. Miles could have blocked Jones from going to Bama or anywhere else in the SEC, but he didn't. Because it didn't matter. The kid had to sit.
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:49 am to cas4t
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Jones had 2 years of eligibility left
Smith is graduating and therefore eligible to play now
isn't that how it works?
This post was edited on 8/3 at 11:44 am
Ultimately a school can't stop a kid from going somewhere if he's willing to sit a year.
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Miles let Jones go as soon as AU told him they had no schollys left
Miles is a better man than Saban as well as myself
It wasn't a full release. Jones still sat out a year without a scholarship. Which Smith can do at Georgia.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:51 am to cas4t
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graduate transfer exception rule is one frequently used. I don't know how some aren't grasping this.
You're expecting too much out of this group.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:52 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Ultimately a school can't stop a kid from going somewhere if he's willing to sit a year.
I know this
the point is that Smith could play immediately, given the graduate transfer rule. All he needs is the go ahead from Saban.
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It wasn't a full release.
Yes, it was.
he had to sit a year per NCAA rules because he wasn't graduating. Miles knew the kid would have to sit anyways, so he didn't give a shite where he went.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:53 am to RT1941
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How could the SEC possibly block a current SEC coach from gaining employment at another SEC program?
Very easily. Make it a rule. If I remember correctly, I think the SEC considered that regarding head coaches.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:55 am to tigerskin
it should be a rule.
it's the same line of thinking as a non compete in the business world.
or at least, make it similar to a non compete, and if you become a HC at a different school in the conference, you can not recruit kids out of your former state for 2 years. Similar to not being able go after your old company's clients for 2 years, which is essentially what most non compete clauses require.
it's the same line of thinking as a non compete in the business world.
or at least, make it similar to a non compete, and if you become a HC at a different school in the conference, you can not recruit kids out of your former state for 2 years. Similar to not being able go after your old company's clients for 2 years, which is essentially what most non compete clauses require.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:55 am to CapstoneGrad06
Bottom line ~ Saban will not allow Mo Smith to suit up for Kirby & Mel in a month and play ball.
Now, momma can get on the phone and see if any of the other 100+ D1 programs in the country want to make her son "feel comfortable" and see if they will let him get on the field in a few weeks to play ball. Mo has many, many options if he still wants to play football after graduation and he no longer feels comfortable playing for the best defensive mind in college football.
Now, momma can get on the phone and see if any of the other 100+ D1 programs in the country want to make her son "feel comfortable" and see if they will let him get on the field in a few weeks to play ball. Mo has many, many options if he still wants to play football after graduation and he no longer feels comfortable playing for the best defensive mind in college football.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:58 am to tigerskin
quote:That's ridiculous. Do you have any idea what a court of law would say about that?
Very easily. Make it a rule. If I remember correctly, I think the SEC considered that regarding head coaches.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:59 am to coachcrisp
nothing, because the court of law has nothing to do with college athletics. That is why we have the NCAA.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:01 pm to mikeb0870
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I thought a graduate transfer can go anywhere he wants with no restrictions and can play immediately. No?
Not in conference. It's funny, that's what he was quoting - the immediate eligibility restriction. But he thought he was quoting some rule that wouldn't allow a player to go transfer within the conference at all.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:04 pm to RT1941
and I don't blame him
but Jones and Smith scenarios are far different.
Jones wasn't forced to sit by Miles. He was forced to sit by the NCAA. Hell, Jones' family never had anything bad to say about Miles.
If Smith sits at UGA, it'll be because Saban wouldn't budge, which is understandable IMO.
but Jones and Smith scenarios are far different.
Jones wasn't forced to sit by Miles. He was forced to sit by the NCAA. Hell, Jones' family never had anything bad to say about Miles.
If Smith sits at UGA, it'll be because Saban wouldn't budge, which is understandable IMO.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:05 pm to cas4t
Guess what? The U.S. legal system carries a little more weight than the NCAA. The only way something like that could be accomplished is contractually...a non-compete clause.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:06 pm to cas4t
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nothing, because the court of law has nothing to do with college athletics. That is why we have the NCAA.
I don't know if you're right on this or not. The courts have not been willing to claim jurisdiction in issues of NCAA rules, but with contracts that might be a different story. Coaches sue schools all the time for contractual issues. The question is whether the courts would consider a rule like this an internal NCAA matter or not.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:09 pm to coachcrisp
The NCAA could undoubtedly create their own version of a non compete clause for coaches. We've already established they've done just that for players. Hell, the conference cold do it as well. Schools, the NCAA and conferences are perfectly capable of drawing up contracts.
If anything, it would make more sense for an individual school to draw up the contract. Ex: contract language states a coach can leave, but not to take a lateral position at a divisional opponent, and can not recruit in the state for 2 years.
I personally think this would be good for college football since we all know coaches are pitching players on position coaches and expertise.
If anything, it would make more sense for an individual school to draw up the contract. Ex: contract language states a coach can leave, but not to take a lateral position at a divisional opponent, and can not recruit in the state for 2 years.
I personally think this would be good for college football since we all know coaches are pitching players on position coaches and expertise.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:10 pm to Crimson Legend
If there is one thing I've learned as a college athletics fan, it's that the NCAA generally can do just about anything it wants.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:12 pm to thunderbird1100
phelon jones came and never saw the field.. did he start at lsu, i dont think so
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