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Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:40 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:40 pm to Stidham8
quote:We were 5-2 before having several players suspended because we gave them too many books.
Right, he landed it in 2008 which was the class directly following Alabama's dogshite 2007 season.
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Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:43 pm to RelentlessTide
It’s not even close. That’s why we all pray after every season that he’s gonna retire 
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:54 pm to bigDgator
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Standard practice is the 2 deep or 3 deep going against the scout team, which many don’t even dress out for the games.
You're saying standard practice in the spring is to go against scout teams?
You're saying the standard practice in fall camp is to go against scout teams?
You clearly know less about college football than my dead grandmother.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:56 pm to Stidham8
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Spot on. The 1’s don’t go against the 1’s every day in practice. That’s only in rare scrimmage cases.
You know there's such a thing as spring practice and fall camp, when they aren't going against scout teams, right?
We already knew you were a pretty clueless poster. We didn't need more evidence.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:59 pm to bigDgator
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bigDgator
Again, have you never even fricking heard of spring practice or fall camp?
You really don't know shite about this topic. Do you even know anything at all about how college football works? Apparently not.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 1:37 pm to Stidham8
quote:maybe that's why you suck
Spot on. The 1’s don’t go against the 1’s every day in practice. That’s only in rare scrimmage cases.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 1:51 pm to bigDgator
Jimbo does 1s vs 1s all the time. I’m sure Saban does too. Good coaches seem to have that in common.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:10 pm to Csmims
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If the NCAA actually investigated Alabama the result would be DEATH PENALTY and mass suicide among those wearing crimson colored glasses.
I promise you they would not find a scandal damaging the reputation of a children's charity.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:15 pm to RelentlessTide
As there isn't an argument that he's the greatest coach in CFB.
Now the debate is greatest coach in sports history. Wooden, Lombardi, Saban.
I feel privileged to just be living during the same time he's a coach. It's historic.
Now the debate is greatest coach in sports history. Wooden, Lombardi, Saban.
I feel privileged to just be living during the same time he's a coach. It's historic.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:43 pm to Csmims
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Cheater. Undeniable truth. Anyone disagreeing is ignorant and complicit. Or they just don’t care
I just can't imagine Alabama alums sinking down to a level where misdeeds are involved in recruiting. No, not them.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:49 pm to Csmims
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Your rant is ridiculous
What rant? I just stated facts and asked a legit question.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:09 am to RelentlessTide
When I saw this clip several days ago, I immediately thought of all the jimmies it would rustle on the board!
Congrats on a great post!
THE TRUTH HURTS!!
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:29 am to tgrmeat
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Can’t blame him for spinning the stats that way but those stats say more about his recruiting ability than his ability to prepare for the nfl.
How about this (this is from 2018 but it still rings as true, possibly more so now):
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The 2017 college football season and the 2018 NFL Draft have come and gone, and one thing is a certainty exiting the events – Alabama reigns supreme. The Crimson Tide won the national championship and then they won the draft, having a record-setting 12 players selected. No other FBS team had more than seven draftees.
Yet that doesn’t truly describe Alabama’s dominance.
There will be some that think, “Of course Alabama had the most players drafted. They get the best recruits.” That is true. But it’s also not a holistic look at what makes the Crimson Tide great under Nick Saban. Instead, one needs to examine Alabama’s NFL factory process; the rate at which the program transforms elite high school talent into NFL players. To do so, 247Sports looked at every five-star prospect of the Saban era and their eventual NFL Draft future. That means players from the 2008 recruiting class (Saban’s first full cycle at Alabama) to the 2015 recruiting classes (the most recent class with draft eligibility), excluding any athletes who remain in college.
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There are 241 247Sports Composite five-star players from college football in that period – the elite of elite coming out of high school.
Alabama, unsurprisingly, signed the highest total of those at 29. But that’s not the important number. To truly grade development you must observe the number of those recruits who became first-round picks. That’s the full college cycle of development — a choice prospect comes in and a highly-regarded NFL talent comes out.
Fourteen of those 29 eventually became a first-round pick in Tuscaloosa, a rate of 48.3 percent that doesn’t count six other Crimson Tide five-stars that were second-round picks.
For some needed perspective on that number, let’s look at how the other FBS teams fared.
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Take away Alabama’s 29 five-star players from that window, and there are 212 five-star recruits. Some schools have had a lot (Florida State: 24) in that 2008-15 period, while others have had just one (13 different schools). Taken together, the number of first-round picks from that five-star pool minus Alabama is 36.
That’s a hit rate of only 17 percent.
Think about that. Alabama’s five-star recruits are picked in the first round at a rate of 48.3 percent, while five-star recruits that go to any other school are selected at a 17-percent clip. A five-star prospect who picks Alabama is more than doubly likely be selected in the first round than if he goes anywhere else.
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The numbers don’t stop there. Alabama’s five-star recruits as a whole in that 2008-15 recruiting period are drafted at a 75.9 percent clip. Earlier this week, 247Sports looked at draft data from the last two years and found that five-star recruits are generally picked at around a 61 percent ratio. Take away Alabama’s yearly haul from that group, and the percentage drops to 54.2.
So while 75.9 percent of Alabama five-star players are drafted in the Saban era, only 54.2 of all others hear their named called.
That’s a staggering gap in development. It also helps explain just why the Tide have been so dominant.
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Yes, Alabama generally recruits better players than anyone else. Seven straight No. 1 overall classes from 2011 to 2017 are evidence of that. But where the Crimson Tide really separate themselves from everyone else is what they do with those recruits once they arrive on campus.
Alabama recruits better AND develops better
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:37 am to elposter
I had Jim Haslett tell me the same thing...and he's not crazy about Saban personally.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:45 am to bamameister
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I've never walked into any situation and spent some time and failed to see the expectations they have. Neither do these recruits.
Teenagers do it every single day. If you think every Bama recruit "tows the line" and everyone else has a few just act a fool, then
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:56 am to Csmims
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I agree but some are on an entirely different level.
And those programs end up getting investigated because they are being too overt about it. See Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss and Jeremy Pruitt at Tennessee. The speed limit is 60 and most schools are okay if you're doing 10 miles over. Tennessee and Ole Miss were doing 80 MPH in a 60 MPH zone. That's why they got caught.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:58 am to RelentlessTide
Everyone know's THIS is the real pitch...
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:05 am to TailbackU
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I do think he and the REC cheated like hell and scrapped for his first 3 or 4 recruiting classes
People give the REC too much credit. It's a several thousand member organization filled with guys who are wealthy, as well as filled with people in places like Jasper and Opp and Oxford. You can't have that many people involved in any cheating operation and some jack leg start bragging about how "he" is the reason X recruit came to Bama (see Logan Young).
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There was just too much smoke not to think otherwise.
What smoke? Also, so now smoke is enough to believe in cheating? I guess this means all the smoke around Cam Newton led you to believe that AU cheated to get him?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:08 am to Csmims
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Cheater. Undeniable truth.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:20 pm to Travis Scott
Amazing that kids drive cars.
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