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re: Rick Neuheisel believes that Milroe will have his way with Georgia’s defense on the ground

Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:15 pm to
You call it a point about RB.


But that isn't their tone. It is almost determined that McClelland isn't the better back. Which begs the question why he is the bellcow.
UGA has rotated 50/50 most seasons under Kirby.
If it was at all close, why would we not have seen that to date for Bamas RBs.

I'm not calling Saban or Rees an idiot.
I'm just pointing out the ironic tone (which has not been on the secrant. Maybe it has been present on the Bama board) that the better backs will be playing Saturday.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:20 pm to
It is a point of contention for bulldawg fans.

We laugh at Bama for "muh metchie" and "muh williams" without any prepared backups.

Meanwhile this season, we rotated 2 players at LT mid game. 4 players at Guard mid game. And 2 players at RT mid game against the nerds.

We still are giving important reps to walkon Mekhi Mews and Jackson Meeks at WR.

We have former walkon Cash Jones at RB in a redzone third down play.

If you are good enough in practice, you are seeing important snaps on Saturday.
Posted by Lolathon234
Rio
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:31 pm to
McClelland is good between the tackles, but acceleration/edge rushing and pass pro aren't his strengths. Bama obviously doesn't plan on running much up the middle as they have no advantage there assuming Georgia runs 4-2. It'll be off tackle all day, anything up the middle will probs be counters/misdirection, and you'd assume a quick back is needed there as those holes close quick

Honestly can't wait to see how styles matchup and what adjustments Georgia makes. Can UGA's NT 2 gap as a 0 tech? If so, maybe 3-3 stack and bring down the SS to be more of a JACK/WOLB and run a pseudo 3-4. That or robber in the 4-2
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Sweepthleg
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:33 pm to
In case it hasn’t been said Rick Neuheisel is fricking idiot.
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
70596 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:40 pm to
It's going to come down to how many times we hear this from the ref-

"Holding, on the offense, 10 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down"
Posted by skipjackbama
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:44 pm to
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It'll be off tackle all day,


100% correct. The Mizz RB averaged 14ypc against the UGA D on stretch zone plays
Posted by skipjackbama
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:52 pm to
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In case it hasn’t been said Rick Neuheisel is fricking idiot.


Imagine being a internet poster saying this about a guy that coached CFB and in the NFL
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:58 pm to
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It'll be off tackle all day, anything up the middle will probs be counters/misdirection, and you'd assume a quick back is needed there as those holes close quick


What does "counter" mean to you?
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Can UGA's NT 2 gap as a 0 tech? If so, maybe 3-3 stack and bring down the SS to be more of a JACK/WOLB and run a pseudo 3-4. That or robber in the 4-2


You've really never watched a UGA game under Kirby Smart. Have you?
Posted by Lucado
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:03 pm to
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Rick Neuheisel


Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:18 pm to
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That’s the only running quarterback Georgia really faced this year


P. Thorne - 520 yards rushing. 92 vs UGA.
J. Dart - 377 yards rushing. 20 vs UGA.
J Milton - 300 yards rushing. -13 vs UGA.
B. Cook - 253 yards rushing. 39 vs UGA.

J. Milroe - 439 yards rushing.

Yes, Milroe is closer to Thorne than the others. But UGA's defensive mantra to stop running QB's is to maintain containment and not rush past the QB. They have freshmen LB's this year who struggled with that early on but have learned to do so properly as the season has worn on. UGA's faced running QB's since Auburn and done much better.
Posted by Lolathon234
Rio
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:33 pm to
RB fakes weakside, G/T pull and hand off goes playside

Watch, sure. Analyze? I'm not scouting UGA all 22

There are only so many things you can do with nickel defenses and football isn't exactly known for innovation

There's a reason I was asking, I'm here for discussion/learning
Posted by Tider13
Member since Jun 2020
934 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:42 pm to
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become more of a stand alone runner


No he wont. 26 and 22 will do just fine.
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:00 pm to
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That’s the only running quarterback Georgia really faced this year.”


Auburn had hardly run Thorne at all on zone reads or any time really going into that game. We let him go for 60 plus on their first possession. We weren't nearly as bad if you take that one away.

But leading up to the games against Mizzou and Ole Miss, we certainly were told we were going up against running QBs.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:03 pm to
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RB fakes weakside, G/T pull and hand off goes playside


I don't know that the RB has to do anything for the play to technically be counter. Counter is the blocking scheme.

I was just curious that you include counter along with misdirection as inside runs.
Any reason?
Posted by RT58
Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
4062 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:05 pm to
Who? Everyone knows who the best Athletic QB's are in the SEC.
1. Daniels
2. Milroe.
The rest ain't close.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 6:09 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:05 pm to
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There are only so many things you can do with nickel defenses and football isn't exactly known for innovation


You can do a shite ton with nickel.
It is why it is the primary backend coverage in all of football right now (college and pro).

As I said earlier... defensive alignment is set by what the offense is doing.
Down, distance, personnel, formation.

It just so happens that most offensive plays have the defense in nickel.
Posted by RT58
Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
4062 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:12 pm to
Bingo. We're likely gonna need to make
In game adjustments as we go. Not wait until halftime down 2-3 scores.
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
11831 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:48 pm to
Not if he can’t remember when he’s scrambled past the LOS
Posted by Lolathon234
Rio
Member since Oct 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 7:24 pm to
Bc most counters target the B gap or C gap, and if it's the latter the pulling guard/tackle will generally be sealing the outside. I thought the general idea was to get the d-line moving to what they thought was play side, and then reverse, which creates holes due to their misallignment and ability to use their momentum against them

edit: ya, i'm right. here's just one of many sources explaining it in detail
LINK /
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 7:33 pm to
You had referenced counter faking weakside and going playside.

And also referenced counter as an inside run (which it can be).

You don't seem to be explaining yourself very well.
Traditionally, counter does a great job attacking the edge defender and winning with numbers on the backside.

Honestly, dawg fans have seen a good amount of inside counter this year.
QB counter has been a weapon used against us. And it is very effective with the blocking scheme in the A or B gaps when the QB is following. Auburn ran QB counter on the edges for that 60 yard run as well.
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