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re: Ranking the last 20 Heisman winners
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:04 am to wadewilson
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:04 am to wadewilson
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Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase were the ones doing the elevating here
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This is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
I would love to see an argument that I'm wrong.
Both of those guys are on a trajectory to become some of the best to ever play their positions in the NFL.
Burrow couldn't win the job at Ohio State and didn't exactly light the world up before 2019 even at LSU.
Burrow is a great player. He isn't having that type of season without Jamarr and Jefferson.
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:10 am to VolSquatch
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Burrow is a great player. He isn't having that type of season without Jamarr and Jefferson
You mean the greatest season of all time? You don’t say!
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:17 am to LSU Patrick
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You mean the greatest season of all time? You don’t say!
Yeah, he isn't having it without those guys. Not sure why that's even controversial.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:27 am to VolSquatch
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he isn't having it without those guys. Not sure why that's even controversial.
It isn't controversial at all. Most players that have great seasons have good coaching and players around them. That's the reason I try to keep it as comparing seasons vs judging which player is/was better.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:35 am to wadewilson
Burrow wasn't good enough to start until year 4 (when he got dominated by Todd Grantham and outplayed by Flippy Franks).
Regardless, it's the same exact source as y'all used in the OP. Hope this helps!
Regardless, it's the same exact source as y'all used in the OP. Hope this helps!
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 8:36 am
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:04 am to GoGators1995
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Burrow wasn't good enough to start until year 4
What does this have to do with him having the best Heisman season in the past 20 years? This only a discussion about Heisman winners and the season that they had to win it.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:42 am to TigerLunatik
And the same exact person said Tebow is the GOAT SEC QB. Which the TS didn't know when hastily making his response thread.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:27 pm to VolSquatch
quote:Look, I just brought it up for discussionquote:
Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase were the ones doing the elevating here
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This is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
I would love to see an argument that I'm wrong.
Both of those guys are on a trajectory to become some of the best to ever play their positions in the NFL.
Burrow couldn't win the job at Ohio State and didn't exactly light the world up before 2019 even at LSU.
Burrow is a great player. He isn't having that type of season without Jamarr and Jefferson.
No doubt at all, Chase and Jefferson are absolutely great players.
But let's just remember- there are guys with amazing potential, every single year, that don't pan out. We've all seen guys who look insane toasting the secondary... and then don't complete the catch. Have you already forgot Kayshon Boutte?
Laugh and make fun of me if you like, but go watch those 2018 games.
Game 1 (Miami); Burrow was 11-24
Game 2 (Southeastern La), 10-20
Game 3 (Auburn), 15-34
Game 4 (La Tech), 16-28 (his first game over 50%)
His percentage climbed over the course of the season, he finished @ 58%. But the drops didn't go away completely; I think the Fla game LSU could have won if not for those.
Those WRs put in a ton of work, the famous "summer of 10000 catches", and it changed them. In 2018 they'd drop wide-open passes at times. In 2019, same guys were catching everything thrown their way, every 50-50 pass even.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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Most players that have great seasons have good coaching and players around them. That's the reason I try to keep it as comparing seasons vs judging which player is/was better.
This is why many non-LSU fans will rank Cam Newton above Joe Burrow despite the stats he put up. Newton had very little talent surrounding him on the offensive side of the ball. It came down to Gus Malzahn's scheme and Newton's talents in 2010.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:51 pm to VolSquatch
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Burrow is a great player. He isn't having that type of season without Jamarr and Jefferson.
Well no shite, but Burrow also made Moss, Marshall, and CEH look great in 2019 and none of them have done much in the NFL.
Check that, Moss didn't even get drafted and never played in the NFL.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 2:06 pm to RollTide1987
So Burrow gets penalized because Cam’s teammates were not as good as Burrow’s teammates. That is some rock solid analysis right there!
Posted on 8/1/25 at 2:07 pm to RollTide1987
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This is why many non-LSU fans will rank Cam Newton above Joe Burrow despite the stats he put up. Newton had very little talent surrounding him on the offensive side of the ball. It came down to Gus Malzahn's scheme and Newton's talents in 2010.
Most people are going to default to the dynamic player with big numbers who did it in ridiculous, highlight factory ways than a traditional QB even with unprecedented numbers. Just how it is.
Cam (and Tebow, arguably) sit in a very small class of elite of elite SEC athletes in addition to elite SEC QBs.
I do think Burrow did about as much as you can possibly do to bridge that gap.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 2:16 pm to wadewilson
Lets take a trip through time. The evolution of a take, as told in the matter of hours.
Would you say that if a player couldn't accomplish something without another player? Would you say the other player "elevated" the first player?
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VolSquatch: Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase were the ones doing the elevating here
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wadewilson: This is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
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Volsquatch: Burrow is a great player. He isn't having that type of season without Jamarr and Jefferson.
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wadewilson: Well no shite
Would you say that if a player couldn't accomplish something without another player? Would you say the other player "elevated" the first player?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 2:21 pm to LSU Patrick
Greatest season of all time..Holy shite some of you LSU fans are beyond crazy. Homer to the elite level, and do not know CFB at all clearly. Let me guess, you think Justin Jefferson is a better receiver than Jerry Rice???
Posted on 8/1/25 at 3:29 pm to Gatorbait2008
You’re just a hater if you don’t think LSU is at least in the conversation of the greatest team of all time.
In case you forgot, besides going 15-0.
- Finished the year with the #1 strength of schedule
- Beat 7 teams in AP Top 10
- Offense averaged a TD every 1.85 drives
- Converted 91% Red Zone trips to TDs
- Joe Burrow had more total yards and total touchdowns than 9 entire SEC teams
- Broke the FBS all time season points record
- 2 WRs with 1k + Yards, 1 RB with 1k
- 3 WRs with 12+ TDs
- O line won Joe Moore award
- TE Thad Moss had ZERO recorded drops on the SEASON
- Defense finished Top 15 in country in Red Zone TDs allowed
- Gave up 7 total points in second half of CFP playoff games
- 8 defensive players drafted that were on the 2019 team, including 3 1st rounders.
Yeah they’re the best team ever. GFY if you don’t even think it’s debatable
In case you forgot, besides going 15-0.
- Finished the year with the #1 strength of schedule
- Beat 7 teams in AP Top 10
- Offense averaged a TD every 1.85 drives
- Converted 91% Red Zone trips to TDs
- Joe Burrow had more total yards and total touchdowns than 9 entire SEC teams
- Broke the FBS all time season points record
- 2 WRs with 1k + Yards, 1 RB with 1k
- 3 WRs with 12+ TDs
- O line won Joe Moore award
- TE Thad Moss had ZERO recorded drops on the SEASON
- Defense finished Top 15 in country in Red Zone TDs allowed
- Gave up 7 total points in second half of CFP playoff games
- 8 defensive players drafted that were on the 2019 team, including 3 1st rounders.
Yeah they’re the best team ever. GFY if you don’t even think it’s debatable
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 3:33 pm to VolSquatch
Why do SEC history books only go back to right after everyone else in country was good and we were all looking down there saying man those teams suck down there?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 4:24 pm to Tiger4life306
Greatest of all time..holy shite you are insane and your college football knowledge is laughable at best.You are not even close. Let me help you out cause you are clearly idiotic.
2001 Miamu Hurricanes
2004 USC Trojans
1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers
Holy shite the homerism by some LSU fans is insane..Is it the most homer fanbase in College Football?
Let me guess..you think Chip Kelly is equal to Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll, etc as a football coach.
2001 Miamu Hurricanes
2004 USC Trojans
1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers
Holy shite the homerism by some LSU fans is insane..Is it the most homer fanbase in College Football?
Let me guess..you think Chip Kelly is equal to Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll, etc as a football coach.
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 4:30 pm to ThatsMyQB
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I couldn’t remember half those dudes.
This makes me think you are very young because I remember every single one of them.
The big one that’s off to me is having Manziel that low.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 4:37 pm to Gatorbait2008
Lolololol sorry to get your jorts in a wad!
Yeah LSU 2019 is in the conversation with those teams and any other college football team that anyone wants to throw in to be debated as the GOAT.
You are clearly a troll and a hater. GFY
Yeah LSU 2019 is in the conversation with those teams and any other college football team that anyone wants to throw in to be debated as the GOAT.
You are clearly a troll and a hater. GFY
Posted on 8/1/25 at 4:42 pm to Tiger4life306
Lol seriously...Jorts? You lost, clearly, and by the way I do not own any jeans shorts.... It is very clear to all but LSU fans that that LSU team is not near "Goat" status...homer much? Just kidding, I bet you homer all the time.
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 4:44 pm
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