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re: Rank the BCS national championship winning quarterbacks
Posted on 2/12/11 at 11:14 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/12/11 at 11:14 pm to Bench McElroy
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Leinart did it for three years, Newton did it for one. For me, it's comparable to Herschel Walker vs. Barry Sanders. Herschel Walker was an incredible college running back for three years. Barry Sanders was the greatest college running back of all-time for one year. I would take Herschel's college career over Barry's every day of the week. Newton's best year was better than Leinart's best year but Leinart had a better body of work and college career than Newton.
Barry had the greatest season in the history of the NCAA in '88. He led the nation in kick returns in '87. He was backing up Thurman Thomas from '86 to '87, however he still had an impact. I agree Walker was amazing but at his best, Barry was the best in NCAA history. He had the greatest season EVER.
Leinart played more seasons but if thats what we're judging, then Newton is behind the Boise State kid. Kellen Moore has better stats than Leinart. Keenum has better stats than Newton...
Look at the players. Newton is a better QB than Leinart. He won a Juco title and BCS title back to back. He had one of the greatest seasons in NCAA history in one of the toughest conferences where he was the team. Leinarts stats were slightly better than JD Booty's the following year after he hit the NFL.
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Posted on 2/12/11 at 11:19 pm to arwicklu
Since you're so focused on Leinart not doing anything in the NFL, tell me something. What have any of those other "great" USC players done in the NFL? The only player who's been worth a shite is Steve Smith. Every other player is either out of the league or a massive disappointment. Maybe that loaded USC roster wasn't so loaded after all.
Posted on 2/12/11 at 11:25 pm to GamecockAlum
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That vacated arse kicking still stings I see.
Oh, ok I see. You're just retarded.
Posted on 2/12/11 at 11:35 pm to Bench McElroy
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Since you're so focused on Leinart not doing anything in the NFL, tell me something. What have any of those other "great" USC players done in the NFL?
I'm not focused on the NFL. He had a more talented team than anyone in the Pac 10 and destroyed the conference. He was a good QB.
USC has 10 OL players in the NFL. That's decent. LINK
They haven't all busted. They have over 50 players in the league. Bush has been less than advertised, however the New Orleans offense is way better when he plays. They have some good OL players in the league. The defense has gone on to do better than the offensive players. USC was stacked. If you don't think they were loaded with talent, then I don't know what to say. They were more talented than the Pac 10 teams they destroyed. They even made JD Booty look like a badass.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 12:06 am to AUTigLN11
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Oh, ok I see. You're just retarded.
Your entire counterargument is based on me being mad about the losses to Auburn, but ignore the fact that Tebow beat us 4 times. So if I am going to knock players down a notch for beating my school, then under your logic I'd put Tebow below Newton, no?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:24 am to GamecockAlum
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Your entire counterargument is based on me being mad about the losses to Auburn, but ignore the fact that Tebow beat us 4 times. So if I am going to knock players down a notch for beating my school, then under your logic I'd put Tebow below Newton, no?
No it's the only thing that would make sense. Your team was irrelevant when Tebow was beating you so it doesn't sting as bad. You finally had a chance to become relevant and Cam humiliated you on the biggest stage.
My argument is based on the fact Cam is a better passer, far better runner, had to carry his team more and still never let his team lose unlike Tebow who averaged two losses a season despite clearly superior surrounding talent.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:42 am to Bench McElroy
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the only QB to win a national championship with two losses
Get over it already... they were losses in overtime as well. Who deserved to be champions that year if not LSU?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:48 am to Clockwatcher68
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Get over it already... they were losses in overtime as well. Who deserved to be champions that year if not LSU?
I honestly thought USC would have won on a neutral field, but their resume didn't merit a spot in the title game.
I'll say that LSU deserved it, though.
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:55 am to Clockwatcher68
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Who deserved to be champions that year if not LSU?
Again, NO ONE "deserved" it. It should have been settled on the field by a playoff. This really isn't hard to understand.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:56 am to Clockwatcher68
quote:Precisely
Who deserved to be champions that year if not LSU?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:59 am to Roaad
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Precisely
Did you read my post? I was praising Matt Flynn. Some people might have him in the bottom of the list and I gave my reasons to put him at 10.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 11:03 am to Bench McElroy
Did I reply to you by accident?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:53 pm to joshnorris14
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Also, when it was 3rd and 1, there were at least 10 guys in the box, because everyone and their mother knew it was Tebow who was getting the carry.
Are you fricking dumb?
Did you miss the entire "3rd and 1-3 yd" stat that I posted?
No?
STFU.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:57 pm to Bench McElroy
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Leinart did it for three years, Newton did it for one.
You said best BCS national championship winning QBs. Unless somehow career carries into ONE year winning the BCS, your obvious bias is showing.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:59 pm to joeyb147
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You said best BCS national championship winning QBs. Unless somehow career carries into ONE year winning the BCS, your obvious bias is showing.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 3:00 pm to AUTigLN11
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Again, NO ONE "deserved" it. It should have been settled on the field by a playoff. This really isn't hard to understand.
I agree with that. However, I agree about that with Bama's championship and Auburn's as well. When Bama one there were undefeated teams left. When Auburn won, TCU was undefeated. The system give the championship to the best team if you're in the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, SEC, or PAC 10. If you're not in the club, then you lost before the season started.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 3:11 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bench McElroy
Okay than big guy.... Tebow would obviously be #1 then since you changed it to career accomplishments. 2 national titles. 2 SEC titles. 3 BCS bowl wins. Heisman winner. 35-6 as a starter.
But seeing as you had VY first, you obviously didn't mean it that way.... until it came down to Newton.
Question: Who would you rather face as an opposing QB?
Leinart
Or
Newton
Posted on 2/13/11 at 4:11 pm to joeyb147
So I checked out this insecure dumbass boog's stats and they go AGAINST his case.
Newton averaged more touches yet produced less yards. Hmmmm.
You've never heard of the concept of "scrambling" have you? If they kept 7 men down in the box, then a receiver would be wide open and if they dropped 7, Newton would just scramble.
Wait to look at one stat in a vacuum while not providing your source.
How did they do on 2nd and 1?2?3?4?5?6?7? What about 3rd and 4?5?6?7?8?9?
Oh and what about the stat that shows Tebow having 5 more touchdowns in one less game?
Or how about the fact that Tebow had one less interception that Newton despite attempting 70 more passes?
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Plus Newton averaged more rushing attempts per game (14.8 for Tebow, 18.9 for Newton). And less passing attempts per game (23.5 for Tebow, 20 for Newton).
Newton averaged more touches yet produced less yards. Hmmmm.
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Seems to me defenses would be keying in on Newton's running more than Tebow's since he ran more and threw less than Tebow. I don't think defenses would be dropping 7 into coverage a whole lot with Newton's running ability.
You've never heard of the concept of "scrambling" have you? If they kept 7 men down in the box, then a receiver would be wide open and if they dropped 7, Newton would just scramble.
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3rd & 1-3 yds to go
2010 - Newton - 22 of 30 - 73%
2009 - Tebow - 19 of 26 - 73%
2008 - Tebow - 15 of 21 - 71%
2007 - Tebow - 14 of 20 - 70%
Wait to look at one stat in a vacuum while not providing your source.
How did they do on 2nd and 1?2?3?4?5?6?7? What about 3rd and 4?5?6?7?8?9?
Oh and what about the stat that shows Tebow having 5 more touchdowns in one less game?
Or how about the fact that Tebow had one less interception that Newton despite attempting 70 more passes?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 4:19 pm to GamecockAlum
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Oh and what about the stat that shows Tebow having 5 more touchdowns in one less game?
Or how about the fact that Tebow had one less interception that Newton despite attempting 70 more passes?
Tebow had Percy Harvin. That helps too.
You can spin the stats however you want but a ton of factors go into things. Tebow had an unreal career. Newton had one of the best seasons ever. They're both badasses.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 4:45 pm to GamecockAlum
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Newton averaged more touches yet produced less yards. Hmmmm.
Good god you are an insecure little cock. And fricking retarded.
Avg yd/play
2010 - Newton - 8.0 yd
2009 - Tebow - 7.2 yd
2008 - Tebow - 7.2 yd
2007 - Tebow - 7.5 yd
2006 - Tebow - 6.8 yd
Total plays
2010 - Newton - 544 - 38.9 per game - 309 yds/game
2009 - Tebow - 531 - 37.9 per game - 272 yds/game
2008 - Tebow - 474 - 33.9 per game - 244 yds/game
2007 - Tebow - 560 - 43.1 per game - 321 yds/game
Now shut the frick up with your rambling bullshite. Actually look something up that makes sense. Like how Newton averaged 8 yds per play while the great Tebow didn't. If Newton averaged 43 plays a game like Tebow did in 2007, he would have averaged 342 yds a game.
And by the way
Tebow - 172 passer rating
Newton - 182 passer rating
ETA: Also
2010 Netwon - 105 yds rushing/game - 1st in SEC
2009 Tebow - 66 yds rushing/game - 8th in SEC
2008 Tebow - 48 yds rushing/game - 12th in SEC
2007 Tebow - 69 yds rushing/game - 14th in SEC
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 5:23 pm
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