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re: Racking brain : Is there another situation like Johnson to Alabama?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Is there another situation like Johnson to Alabama?
Thousands and it has not ever ever worked before. Read that BS right here.
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:49 am to nc14
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Thousands and it has not ever ever worked before. Read that BS right here.
Counter the BS with examples. I hate it when poster throw out comments without backing them up with at least a theory.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He was an assistant at UNC for 2 years then was in the ABA/NBA for 11 years before he went to Kansas
He was the head coach at UCLA before he was at Kansas. Took them to final 4.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:52 am to Don Johnson
Probably the best example is Jon Gruden going to Tennessee.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:57 am to Don Johnson
Honestly, there is one situation that was pretty much EXACTLY the same.
Isiah Thomas.
Like Avery, was a long time player and championship winning PG.
Like Avery, he coached two NBA teams, the Pacers and the Knicks.
Like Avery, he had a lot of success with his first NBA job and failed miserable at the second.
Like Avery, he never coached in college.
Like Avery, he surprised everyone and took a mid-level college coaching job.
Florida International, where he went 26-65 in three years.
Isiah Thomas.
Like Avery, was a long time player and championship winning PG.
Like Avery, he coached two NBA teams, the Pacers and the Knicks.
Like Avery, he had a lot of success with his first NBA job and failed miserable at the second.
Like Avery, he never coached in college.
Like Avery, he surprised everyone and took a mid-level college coaching job.
Florida International, where he went 26-65 in three years.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:05 am to Don Johnson
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Honestly, there is one situation that was pretty much EXACTLY the same.
Isiah Thomas.
Like Avery, was a long time player and championship winning PG.
Like Avery, he coached two NBA teams, the Pacers and the Knicks.
Like Avery, he had a lot of success with his first NBA job and failed miserable at the second.
Like Avery, he never coached in college.
Like Avery, he surprised everyone and took a mid-level college coaching job.
Florida International, where he went 26-65 in three years.
Solid post
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:35 am to Irons Puppet
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I equate the AJ hiring to AU looking at Chuck Person as their Head Coach. Both were great players and good assitant Coach at the NBA level, but neither had any College experience. That is why Chuck is now on Pearls staff.
Wat?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:37 am to Don Johnson
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Honestly, there is one situation that was pretty much EXACTLY the same. Isiah Thomas. Like Avery, was a long time player and championship winning PG. Like Avery, he coached two NBA teams, the Pacers and the Knicks. Like Avery, he had a lot of success with his first NBA job and failed miserable at the second. Like Avery, he never coached in college. Like Avery, he surprised everyone and took a mid-level college coaching job. Florida International, where he went 26-65 in three years.
Unlike Avery, if there was anyone not built for college it was Isiah. He is divisive, cause problems pretty much everywhere he goes and makes the majority of people hate him pretty quickly.
So, we'll see.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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quote:I equate the AJ hiring to AU looking at Chuck Person as their Head Coach. Both were great players and good assitant Coach at the NBA level, but neither had any College experience. That is why Chuck is now on Pearls staff. Wat?
That is why Chuck get a serious look when AU had an opening. A NBA coaches mostly just manage the game by letting the stars play their game. Very little coaching and zero recruiting. AJ does have a track record, but with mixed reviews.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He was an assistant at UNC for 2 years then was in the ABA/NBA for 11 years before he went to Kansas.
He also was the HC at UCLA and took them to the 1980 Championship game.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:49 am to Irons Puppet
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A NBA coaches mostly just manage the game by letting the stars play their game.
That isn't the way the NBA works. At all. Do you actually watch NBA games? Do you watch the Hawks, Grizzlies, Spurs, Warriors, Rockets, Blazers, etc? Teams that do what you describe end up being the Brooklyn Nets and the Atlanta Hawks of the Joe Johnson/Josh Smith era. Those teams suck and don't win.
And again, Chuck Person was a down the bench assistant. Johnson was a head coach for 5 years. I mean, are you seriously comparing the two right now? GTFOH.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
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That isn't the way the NBA works. At all. Do you actually watch NBA games? Do you watch the Hawks, Grizzlies, Spurs, Warriors, Rockets, Blazers, etc? Teams that do what you describe end up being the Brooklyn Nets and the Atlanta Hawks of the Joe Johnson/Dwight Howard era. Those teams suck and don't win. And again, Chuck Person was a down the bench assistant. Johnson was a head coach for 5 years. I mean, are you seriously comparing the two right now? GTFOH.
Wasn't trying to compare as a coach, just explaining why Programs are reluctant to hire them at the College level. Why do you think when there is an opening at NC, Kansas or KY do you not see them go after a Pro Coach. Why do you think successful College coaches have failed at the next level. It is a different game.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:57 am to Irons Puppet
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Wasn't trying to compare as a coach, just explaining why Programs are reluctant to hire them at the College level. Why do you think when there is an opening at NC, Kansas or KY do you not see them go after a Pro Coach. Why do you think successful College coaches have failed at the next level. It is a different game.
I think everyone understand there is some risk here. If Johnson didn't have the type of personality and specific attributes that he does have then it would be a really terrifying hire. Most NBA guys are lifer basketball guys who wouldn't want to recruit or deal with the issues involved with teaching young kids and dealing with less team to do it. Johnson isn't in that mold. Doesn't mean it will work, but he isn't the same as if PJ Carlisemo or Kevin McHale came to college.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:04 pm to DBU
Larry Bird took Isiah Thomass' mojo at Detroit during the playoffs .
He's been wandering in the wilderness ever since.
He's been wandering in the wilderness ever since.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:41 pm to Irons Puppet
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I hate it when poster throw out comments without backing them up with at least a theory.
That was exactly the point there Albert. Way to catch on.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Most NBA guys are lifer basketball guys who wouldn't want to recruit or deal with the issues involved with teaching young kids and dealing with less team to do it. Johnson isn't in that mold. Doesn't mean it will work, but he isn't the same as if PJ Carlisemo or Kevin McHale came to college.
You Bama fans don't follow college hoops very much, do you?
PJ Carlisimo was a college head coach for 20 years. He completely made Seton Hall relevent. He took them to their first NCAAT in school history. He was a two time Big East coach of the year, and took them to the freaking NCAA Championship game. He was two Rumeal Robinson free throws in OT away from winning it all.
The dude was a certified badass college HC. He was so well respected that he was one of three assistants (with Lenny Wilkins & Coach K) on the 1992 Dream Team - this was while he was still at SH and before he'd ever coached a day in the pros.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:56 pm to Don Johnson
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PJ Carlisimo was a college head coach for 20 years. He completely made Seton Hall relevent. He took them to their first NCAAT in school history.
I was talking about PJ Carlesimo of 2015, not PJ Carlesimo of 1989. I think everyone understands that PJC is a hall of fame basketball mind.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:04 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:Bird emasculated a lot of NBA players.
Larry Bird took Isiah Thomass' mojo at Detroit during the playoffs . He's been wandering in the wilderness
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:07 pm to InfernoOrangeSS
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Bird emasculated a lot of NBA players.
Only one could stand toe to toe with him, just didn't get any help
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