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re: Quotes from coaches around the country on the Bert/Saban proposed rule change
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:54 am to chattabama
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:54 am to chattabama
I wouldn't believe anything Finescum says concerning Lil Nicky. I used to have a poster of Farrah on my bedroom wall. Paul still has a poster of Nicky on his.
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:56 am to chattabama
I wouldn't believe anything Finescum says concerning Lil Nicky. I used to have a poster of Farrah on my bedroom wall. Paul still has a poster of Nicky on his.
Every single one with a shred of decency.
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anger is misdirected. Which one of your coaches would decline an invitation to speak at a committee meeting about an issue they feel strongly about?
Every single one with a shred of decency.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:58 am to 6nmylifetime
quote:I'm sure you hated every second of that 2 minute hurry up offense that bama ran to win the game against LSU in 2012, right?
. I love the quotes saying "it's football." Maybe if you live in Europe. If you want a continuos game go play soccer.There is a reason the whistle and plays evolved into the American game. Gimmick coaches are afraid they might have to draw a play and coach execution instead of trying to catch the other team not ready.
How dare Alabama run a hurry up offense and try to score when LSU wasn't ready?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:00 am to RedMustang
Point being is he spoke in a meeting where he was invited. I think that seems pretty straightforward. He has no control over the structure of the meeting, or who else is invited to the meeting. All he did was show up and speak about something he feels strongly about, his opinion on football.
Just like Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze have opinions on the game of football. Whether or not they were present at the meeting is not Saban's responsbility. I don't understand the vitriolic responses towards his comments.
Just like Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze have opinions on the game of football. Whether or not they were present at the meeting is not Saban's responsbility. I don't understand the vitriolic responses towards his comments.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:02 am to RedMustang
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Every single one with a shred of decency.
If Gus is invited to a future meeting and he accepts, will you think he doesn't have a "shred of decency?"
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:07 am to chattabama
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I don't understand the vitriolic responses towards his comments.
Because he is proposing a stupid rule for self-serving purposes and trying to get it passed under the guise of "player safety"?
If he knew there would be backlash, a simple "no" would have been in order. At least wait a year and then propose a rule change instead of making up crap about player safety.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:12 am to chattabama
So was he invited BEFORE or AFTER he wrote them a letter to try to convince them to change the rule?
Oh, my bad, that's after. Because it was so convincing. You're right he had no control whatsoever. He wrote that letter while blacked out on ambien obviously.
Oh, my bad, that's after. Because it was so convincing. You're right he had no control whatsoever. He wrote that letter while blacked out on ambien obviously.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:29 am to RedMustang
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Because he is proposing a stupid rule for self-serving purposes and trying to get it passed under the guise of "player safety"?
If he knew there would be backlash, a simple "no" would have been in order. At least wait a year and then propose a rule change instead of making up crap about player safety.
Why should he wait a year? It's not like he has changed his position on this subject. He was saying the same thing last year and that was before AU had a good year.
You act like he has the power to propose a rule change within a committee. He doesn't. He is just another coach with an opinion on the subject. He wrote a letter. He spoke at a meeting. Big deal.
Aren't most HUNH proponents hypocrites as well? I've seen many claim that their reason for opposing the HUNH rule is because it "limits the creativity that goes into the game" when in reality, they don't want their offense to have to face a rested defense. They claim that they oppose it for the good of the game when they have their own agenda as well.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:30 am to Captain Rumbeard
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as he invited BEFORE or AFTER he wrote them a letter to try to convince them to change the rule?
Oh, my bad, that's after. Because it was so convincing. You're right he had no control whatsoever. He wrote that letter while blacked out on ambien obviously.
He wrote a letter. Big deal. They didn't have to invite him to speak at the meeting.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:33 am to chattabama
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Why should he wait a year?
You do know that rule changes are not allowed for the upcoming year don't you?
He's trying to get this passed under the "player safety " loophole.
That's what makes his whole stance so slimy. He knows that there is absolutely no data showing that the HUNH is injuring players.
It's a weak ploy and self-serving. It's actually hilarious that he was so stupid to believe the whole country wouldn't see through his BS. The fact that this is blowing up in his face is nothing short of awesome.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:35 am to chattabama
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Point being is he spoke in a meeting where he was invited. I think that seems pretty straightforward. He has no control over the structure of the meeting, or who else is invited to the meeting. All he did was show up and speak about something he feels strongly about, his opinion on football.
Just like Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze have opinions on the game of football. Whether or not they were present at the meeting is not Saban's responsbility. I don't understand the vitriolic responses towards his comments.
Poor, poor saben. With his friend emmert running the NCAA, this just looks too convenient and too shady. Don't expect ANYONE but bammers to think he is as wonderful as you do.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:41 am to chattabama
You can't be serious? They aren't proposing anything, they are playing under the current rules of the game.
An analogy would be if Lil Nicky revolutionized the game by coming up a new defensive alignment. Let 's say offensive coaches couldn't move the ball against it. Instead of trying to figure out a solution, they wanted to pass a rule change limiting the defensive effectiveness. To make it much much worse, they didn't do it in a rule change year, they came up with some BS about "player safety."
An analogy would be if Lil Nicky revolutionized the game by coming up a new defensive alignment. Let 's say offensive coaches couldn't move the ball against it. Instead of trying to figure out a solution, they wanted to pass a rule change limiting the defensive effectiveness. To make it much much worse, they didn't do it in a rule change year, they came up with some BS about "player safety."
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:48 am to tampajoe
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Poor, poor saben. With his friend emmert running the NCAA, this just looks too convenient and too shady. Don't expect ANYONE but bammers to think he is as wonderful as you do.
NtY
Posted on 2/16/14 at 10:09 am to RedMustang
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ky revolutionized the game by coming up a new defensive alignment. Let 's say offensive coaches couldn't move the ball against it. Instead of trying to figure out a solution, they wanted to pass a rule change limiting the defensive effectiveness.
Rules in football change. Before the 1980s, a DB could bump a wide receiver the whole way down the field. That created an unfair competitive advantage for the defense, so a rule was made to change that. Seeing that the offense can dictate when the defense substitutes is an unfair competitive advantage. The offense knows when their guys are worn, so they will sub then. The defense isn't given that opportunity.
Guys who are more tired are going to have worse technique. Worse technique may lead to injury. Saban asking the question: Does it lead to more injury? Is not a definitive statement. Perhaps what will come out of this is more research on the issue. I saw an article where a former UCLA linebacker said the game absolutely needs to slow down. He had to end his career due to concussions.
In terms of your analogy, are both the offense and the defense on an even playing field?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 11:18 am to chattabama
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If the sources are right, Saban didn't manipulate his way in to the meeting. He was invited.
This guy calls you a liar....
“Coach Saban asked for the opportunity to meet with the committee and talk about this,” NCAA coordinator of officials Rogers Redding told ESPN.com on Thursday. “It’s not routine, but it’s not unique, either.”
saban be begging
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:29 pm to Hugh McElroy
OK gang, let's look at the possible scenarios:
1) The proposal doesn't get voted on
Not a scenario. If the Rules Comm. passes it, they must vote on it. NCAA protocol.
2) They pass it.
There'll be at least 10 seconds elapsed before the offense can snap the ball once the ref places the ball. Is that going to destroy HUNH offenses permanently?
3) They turn it down.
Alabama will continue to kick everybody's asses every year (with an occasional loss here and there).
Regardless, you're gonna have to live with whatever happens....that is unless you just quit following football and take up another sport.....make your choice, ladies!
1) The proposal doesn't get voted on
Not a scenario. If the Rules Comm. passes it, they must vote on it. NCAA protocol.
2) They pass it.
There'll be at least 10 seconds elapsed before the offense can snap the ball once the ref places the ball. Is that going to destroy HUNH offenses permanently?
3) They turn it down.
Alabama will continue to kick everybody's asses every year (with an occasional loss here and there).
Regardless, you're gonna have to live with whatever happens....that is unless you just quit following football and take up another sport.....make your choice, ladies!
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:50 pm to MrAUTigers
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This guy calls you a liar....
“Coach Saban asked for the opportunity to meet with the committee and talk about this,” NCAA coordinator of officials Rogers Redding told ESPN.com on Thursday. “It’s not routine, but it’s not unique, either.”
If you read my posts, I was saying that was what Finebaum claimed.
They still didn't have to invite him. They could have told him no. He spoke at a meeting. Big deal.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:50 pm to coachcrisp
2) No. But that's hardly the point. One of the advantages of HUNH is it keeps the defense guessing, as in "maybe we have time to get players on/off the field, maybe we don't."
3) Perhaps. So what's the point? Hint: it sure as hell isn't "player safety".
I don't think Bama fans fully understand how badly Saban is coming across on this deal. Not just here - it's universal. He'll be a laughing stock until he retires, win or not.
3) Perhaps. So what's the point? Hint: it sure as hell isn't "player safety".
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Regardless, you're gonna have to live with whatever happens.
I don't think Bama fans fully understand how badly Saban is coming across on this deal. Not just here - it's universal. He'll be a laughing stock until he retires, win or not.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:55 pm to finestfirst79
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I don't think Bama fans fully understand how badly Saban is coming across on this deal. Not just here - it's universal. He'll be a laughing stock until he retires, win or not.
Exactly. Compound this stupidity with the utter idiocy of hiring Lane Kiffen and it's shaping up for a Titanic hits the iceberg level sinking of what should have been an unassailable reputation as one of the greatest coaches that ever lived. Now he's flirting with becoming a catch phrase for desperation and panic.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:56 pm to finestfirst79
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2) No. But that's hardly the point. One of the advantages of HUNH is it keeps the defense guessing, as in "maybe we have time to get players on/off the field, maybe we don't."
So it's an unfair advantage because the offense gets to dictate when the defense can substitute. The whole basis behind the HUNH is to play against a worn out defense. I thought football was about strategizing against the personnel on the field, not prohibiting rested players from getting on the field.
From somebody who had to play against those offenses:
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Patrick Larimore, who retired as a UCLA linebacker in 2012 due to suffering at least seven concussions, said it's "ridiculous" to think the 10-second rule is for competitive purposes. Fatigue from up-tempo offenses can absolutely result in injuries, he said.
"I think if you're a fan and you care about the players' health, especially at this level because we're not getting paid, then it's definitely necessary," Larimore said. "Player safety, especially with all this concussion information coming out, has to be put first. What is this, gladiators?"
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