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re: Quotes from coaches around the country on the Bert/Saban proposed rule change
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:03 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:03 pm to 14&Counting
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The HUNH has the ability to freeze the D...all Saban is saying is that there should be a reasonable (10 seconds) window to check in his personel....again, why is he wrong?
Tell me something: Why do HUNH seem to have no problem substituting and staying with the pace of other HUNH teams? This isn't to say all these defenses of said teams are good but that they aren't getting caught presnap looking lost.
It's a simple matter of scheme and understanding. If you don't understand the HUNH (and Saban very clearly doesn't) it's hard to play defense against it.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:04 pm to Hugh McElroy
Wow, coaches who run the HUNH is against the rule change.
WOW, EARTH SHATTERING NEWS
WOW, EARTH SHATTERING NEWS
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:04 pm to MrAUTigers
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That's BS. Auburn had zero trouble substituting against HUNH teams. It's all about coaches being ready, and having their players ready, to sub in and out.
So why is a 10 second window unreasonable?...
Seriously, I haven't seen one logical answer yet on why that is somehow unfair?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:06 pm to 14&Counting
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Seriously, I haven't seen one logical answer yet on why that is somehow unfair?
How are the current rules unfair?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:07 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
The fricking Peej of the SEC Rant.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:07 pm to 14&Counting
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Seriously, I haven't seen one logical answer yet on why that is somehow unfair?
1: It's a bullshite rule meant SOLELY to slow down innovative offenses that some people don't like because they cant stop it. Imagine the kind of precedent passing such a rule sets.
2: The rule would allow defenses to dictate the offense. If an offense is lined up and ready but has to wait for the clock tog et low enough to snap it, they lose part of their control.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why do HUNH seem to have no problem substituting and staying with the pace of other HUNH teams?
Last year's Bama games against Aggie and Ole Miss prove you wrong...as well as Aggie's game against AU?
A simple matter of scheme and understanding? It's a question of balance and allowing the D a reasonable opportunity to check into its package...a rule I might add that will allow everyone that same opportunity. Perhaps if Aggie actually played some D you might understand that better.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:10 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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Wow, coaches who run the HUNH is against the rule change.
Yeah, it's only those guys who object. Oh... wait...
Rutgers coach Kyle Flood. 71 plays/game (84th in the nation)
Cincinnati coach Tommy Tuberville. 78 plays/game (28th in the nation)
There are others, of course, but those were mentioned in the OP's post that you obviously didn't read.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:10 pm to 14&Counting
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Last year's Bama games against Aggie and Ole Miss prove you wrong...as well as Aggie's game against AU?
Not in the least.
Now answer my question:
Why do HUNH seem to have no problem substituting and staying with the pace of other HUNH teams?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:12 pm to 14&Counting
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Seriously, I haven't seen one logical answer yet on why that is somehow unfair?
Who said it was unfair? But it wasn't needed for a hundred years. Then, some innovative offensive coaches realized that if they played fast often enough, they could force the defense to get lined up quickly, giving the offense time to get a play in and read the defense. Historically, the defense has been given the advantage of getting to lineup wherever they want, and move however they want, at any time they want. The offense can't do that. It's always been the offense that had the advantage of setting the speed of the game.
It wouldn't be unfair to change that, but it would be a significant change, and not one that should be made under the cover of night, with three D1 coaches influencing a panel of DII and DIII guys. Everybody should get input.
Furthermore, most people don't WANT this change. The polls are overwhelmingly opposed to the change. So, why make it! A handful of coaches get to dictate a significant rules change, despite the fact that they are in the distinct minority, just because they want to? That bullshite.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The rule would allow defenses to dictate the offense. If an offense is lined up and ready but has to wait for the clock tog et low enough to snap it, they lose part of their control.
How can the defense dictate to the offense? The offense knows the play do they not? It could equally be construed that the offfense has an unfair adavantage into freezing the D so its virtually impossible to make their subsitutions.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:15 pm to 14&Counting
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It could equally be construed that the offfense has an unfair adavantage into freezing the D so its virtually impossible to make their subsitutions.
And yet that's been the rule forever. You cant go changing something everytime coaches find ways to use the rules in their favor, otherwise innovation becomes non-existent. Don't like something? Just make a rule to inhibit it.
It sets an awful precedent.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
Nuh uh.
(That's my argument in this whole matter)
(That's my argument in this whole matter)
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:17 pm to finestfirst79
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That has been the big surprise to me - not so much that Saban and Bielema would pull a sneak attack like this but that their fans would then rush to their defense! It's mind-boggling. If Sumlin pulled something like this I'd stay far, far away from message boards out of humiliation.
I'm embarrassed for them. To watch them jump to their coach's defense so blindly is sad.
This is the equivalent of Kevin Sumlin asking that the 3-4 be outlawed. I'd be fricking ashamed if my coach did something like this.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:18 pm to 14&Counting
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How can the defense dictate to the offense? The offense knows the play do they not? It could equally be construed that the offfense has an unfair adavantage into freezing the D so its virtually impossible to make their subsitutions.
You're arguing that it's unfair. Your midget coach is arguing that it's unsafe. Are you saying he's full of shite like everyone else is?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:18 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Furthermore, most people don't WANT this change. The polls are overwhelmingly opposed to the change. So, why make it! A handful of coaches get to dictate a significant rules change, despite the fact that they are in the distinct minority, just because they want to? That bull shite.
The only people I see bitching about it are coaches of schools and their fans that run the HUNH....no one is preventing them from running the HUNH...we are talking about a 10 second window to allow the defensive coaches to get their damn personel on the field
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:20 pm to 14&Counting
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The only people I see bitching about it are coaches of schools and their fans that run the HUNH
Multiple coaches who don't run the HUNH have come out against this rule, whereas NOBODY outside of those with an agenda support the rule change.
That is telling.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:20 pm to 14&Counting
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The only people I see bitching about it are coaches of schools and their fans that run the HUNH....no one is preventing them from running the HUNH...we are talking about a 10 second window to allow the defensive coaches to get their damn personel on the field
Which is not a safety issue, like the bullshite he's trying to hide it under.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It sets an awful precedent.
Nonsense...rules change all the time....we implemented a bad targeting rule and now we are getting rid of it...the game evolves and the rules change as well....
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:21 pm to 14&Counting
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The only people I see bitching about it are coaches of schools and their fans that run the HUNH
My God, man...two of the coaches quoted in the OP don't run the HUNH. Further, the ESPN poll was like 80-20 against the rule change. Further, the rule change is getting blasted across the country by journalists of every variety. It's become a laughingstock.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 2:22 pm
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