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Question regarding Bowers' out of bounds spot. Can an official help explain the call?

Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:18 am
Posted by GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Member since Dec 2014
1634 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:18 am
It was an incredible effort by Bowers but I'm confused by the call as it relates to out of bounds rules.

Are the rules different for the goal line?

Not debating the call, just want a better understanding.

Congrats to Georgia!
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:21 am to
Ok so the rule is, until some part of his body touches out of bounds he isn’t out. Also he can’t be down either, eg knee down etc. In this instance he was suspended in air by his hand.

Brock extended the ball while maintaining his body in bounds. Until his leg or hand hit he was technically still in.

I’m not sure what you mean by goal line, when the ball breaks the goal line it’s a TD.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:22 am
Posted by Dawg7730
Member since Mar 2021
1828 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:22 am to
The ball is spotted at the point a body part is out of bounds and the line to gain extends infinitely. The difference in the end zone is the ball must be inside the pylon if a body part doesn’t cross goal line. If a body part crosses the goal line extends i infinitely also. It’s all about the ball.
Posted by GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Member since Dec 2014
1634 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:28 am to
Thanks!
Posted by GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Member since Dec 2014
1634 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:28 am to
Thanks!
Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts
Middle Georgia
Member since Jul 2022
2095 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:35 am to
I still don't get it man, and I'm too hungover to research it.

A lot of people in the other post are saying the out of bounds line in the field of play is NOT a plane like it is in the end zone or in soccer. That's basically what it comes down to. Because in the end zone it's like soccer and it's where the ball goes out of bounds (as long as no part of the ballcarrier's body is out of bounds).

Could be. There's not a football season that goes by ever when I don't learn some obscure rule I never knew.
Posted by tress4pres
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
3857 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:45 am to
I was wondering the same. Not questioning the call and it was a great play by Bowers. More curious than anything.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47795 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:48 am to
The player can run down the sideline with the ball out of bounds in one hand, as long as none of his body is out of bounds
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4745 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:48 am to
that’s horseshite. What you’re saying is that a player could conceivably gain 4-5 yards while being out of bounds, with no liability to be hit, under penalty, so long as no part of his body has touched out of bounds.

A guy could take an angle to the side lines, basically long jump 15 feet, and gain 5 yards with no one being able to hit him.
Posted by Dawg7730
Member since Mar 2021
1828 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:07 pm to
1st I don’t make the rules. 2nd the player is still in bounds until he steps out of bounds so in your scenario he is still in bounds until he touches out so it’s still a legal hit. 3rd. That will never happen.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
3283 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:28 pm to
ARTICLE 4. OUT-OF-BOUNDS SPOT

Item 1. Loose Ball. If a Loose Ball touches anything on or outside a boundary line, the Out-of-Bounds Spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the sideline.

Item 2. Runner Out of Bounds. If the ball is in player possession when that player goes out of bounds, the out-of-bounds spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the side line, or, if the ball does not cross the sideline, the forward point of the ball at the instant the player is out of bounds.

Item 3. Runner Inbounds. If the ball, while in possession of a player who is inbounds, is declared out of bounds because of touching anything that is out of bounds, the out-of-bounds spot is the yard line through the forward point of the ball at the instant of such touching.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26962 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

A lot of people in the other post are saying the out of bounds line in the field of play is NOT a plane like it is in the end zone or in soccer.


They're idiots. Of course it is. What if a player is standing in bounds and reaches his hands across the sideline and catches a ball that is in the air outside the line?
Posted by Javzz
Member since Jan 2006
1588 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Item 2. Runner Out of Bounds. If the ball is in player possession when that player goes out of bounds, the out-of-bounds spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the side line, or, if the ball does not cross the sideline, the forward point of the ball at the instant the player is out of bounds.


That reads like it was short to me?
Posted by CoolHand
Member since Dec 2011
2084 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:59 pm to
3 is the only one that applies here. When the ball touches out of bounds, it’s where the ball touches, not where it crosses the plan of out of bounds in the air.


quote:

tem 3. Runner Inbounds. If the ball, while in possession of a player who is inbounds, is declared out of bounds because of touching anything that is out of bounds, the out-of-bounds spot is the yard line through the forward point of the ball at the instant of such touching.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

I’m not sure what you mean by goal line, when the ball breaks the goal line it’s a TD.


Not if the ball is out of bounds (i.e. outside of the pylon). The same rule applies on a punt that goes out of bounds. It is spotted where the ball crosses the line. I'm not saying it wasn't the correct call but it's a stretch to definitively say there was ireefutible evidence to overturn the call without an overhead view. IMO.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

the out-of-bounds spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the side line


Yep. My poitn exactly. Without an overhead view how can they tell when the ball crossed the line. No sour grapes at all.
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
2481 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:07 pm to
Imagine standing on the sideline and toes facing the bench.

Imagine holding a football and arms stretched over the line.

Imagine slide stepping all the way down the sideline without your feet ever going on or over the white line. That player and ball (even though the ball is over the line) is live and in-bounds until a portion of the players body or the ball touches out of bounds.

Anybody that can’t understand this basic concept is probably very low IQ
Posted by CoolHand
Member since Dec 2011
2084 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

the out-of-bounds spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the side line Yep. My poitn exactly. Without an overhead view how can they tell when the ball crossed the line. No sour grapes at all.


You are referring to item 2. It does not apply here. Read the first words of 2.
Posted by jctiger73
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
254 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:20 pm to
Why in the world would you ask an incompetent, dishonest and cheating football official a question about the rules? Don't you know that they are expected to assure that (insert you're most-hated team here) wins each of their games? They make up the rules as needed.
Posted by Javzz
Member since Jan 2006
1588 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:23 pm to
But the runner did go out of bounds. How does 2 not apply in this logic?
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