re: Question for you Gumps. Houndstooth and NC discussion inside.

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Auburn claims the on in 1957 as it was awarded to us by the AP. That same year the UPI (who had it's own poll at the time) awarded it's title to Ohio State. Both are legit NC's in that it was very common for teams to share national championships at that time. In fact, if you want to delegitimize national championships based on the fact they were shared then Alabama would have to remove the following years from it's records...

1925
1926
1930
1934
1941
1961
1964
1965
1973
1979
1992

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THIS is one reason why you are being called a liar. AT BEST, you're are being EXTREMELY disingenous. To say that the bolded years are "shared titles" is laughable. By that standard, Auburn's 2010 national title was "shared" because 2 of the roughly 15 polls voted Oregon and TCU national champs respectively but any sane person acknowledges that Auburn was last year's unanimous national champion. Alabama's 1961, 1979, and 1992 national titles were the exact same as Auburn's 2010 national title in that regard. You aren't going to try to suggest that Auburn wasn't the consensus national champion last year just to prove a point are you?

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Actually my point was the fact that a tile is or was "shared" in no way makes it less legitimate so long as it was awarded by what is considered a major reputable service that is recognized by the majority of fans.

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That's a reasonable response but you are arguing against your own position here in being offended by many of the title that Alabama fans claim while actually arguing in favor of their point of view. By even mentioning some of the Alabama title claims you did in that post you started to veer into the "Bama national titles debunked" territory. That angry homer even has the nerve to question most of Alabama's AP and UPI titles in years they won their bowl game. He even questions the 1973 UPI title (one of the major poll services) who awarded their national title before the bowl games while overlooking the fact that his own team claims a title in a year (1957) that they weren't even eligible for a bowl game. I think Auburn's 1957 is totally legit btw because it was from a major service.

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That's a reasonable response but you are arguing against your own position here in being offended by many of the title that Alabama fans claim while actually arguing in favor of their point of view. By even mentioning some of the Alabama title claims you did in that post you started to veer into the "Bama national titles debunked" territory. That angry homer even has the nerve to question most of Alabama's AP and UPI titles in years they won their bowl game. He even questions the 1973 UPI title (one of the major poll services) who awarded their national title before the bowl games while overlooking the fact that his own team claims a title in a year (1957) that they weren't even eligible for a bowl game. I think Auburn's 1957 is totally legit btw because it was from a major service.

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My point that the only way to settle the argument is for all schools to settle the argument regarding what is and is not a legit title is to claim them all, was actually not an endorsement nor a condemnation of such action. Rather I offered it up as a logical method of finally putting the matter to rest once and for all. If everyone claims them all then none can be said to be bogus. As long as schools pick and choose which they view as legitimate and not, the matter will remain as subjective.

also, i never said I personally viewed any of Alabama's NC's as legit or not. Rather I pointed out the overall consensus viewpoint of the majority of other SEC fan bases regarding Alabama's claim on 13 NC's. I know this is a very contentious and thus sensitive subject and people are quick to attack when it is debated. However, as I've already stated, my intention was never to personally "disprove" or "debunk" anything that Alabama claims but rather point out that the other fans view many of these titles in a negative light. I've also pointed out that that the only was to solve this is for all schools to claim all titles.

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Texas was awarded NC's in 1963, 69, 70 & 2005. They were also awarded NC's in 1914, 18, 30, 41, 45, 47, 50, 61, 68, 77, 81, and 08 but do not claim them.

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I don't see anything showing a Texas claim for 1930, 1945, 1947, 1950, or 1961 do I have no clue what basis you say they had a claim for those years. This makes me wonder how many you've missed (or outright lied about) for some of the others listed. Even if this was all true, Alabama also has years it was voted #1 in one or more polls that it doesn't claim. Alabama doesn't claim 1945, 1966, 1975, or 1977 which were all years they were "awarded NCs" that they don't claim according to the criteria you used in your post.

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The NC's you're saying these teams claim are the ones that are recognized by major polls. Bama does the exact same thing, except they claim the BS '41 title in addition, for whatever reason. But Bama doesn't claim every one they could, just like these teams don't. Bama has been awarded TWENTY-SIX total NC's. They claim 13. So what is your argument?

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The argument SEEMS to be that Alabama claims each and every single national title any poll awarded them despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Alabama is conveniently singled out the titles it does claim while the ones it has been awarded that it doesn't claim are conveniently overlooked.