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re: Question for fans of other teams than Arkansas:

Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:50 am to
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What is an acceptable amount of "naughtiness"? Is a DUI acceptable while sleeping with another woman not? What about something such as paying off a player or lying to the NCAA? I guess a lot of it also depends on how successful the coach is doing as well.


Lot of factors go into that besides how successful the coach has been W-L wise (although I agree that comes into play).
What is the impact on team discipline? Players can misbehave and say 'Well, coach, it's not as bad as what you did.'
Has it happened before? Well, certainly Petrino's character came into question when he lied to the Falcon players about staying. Also came into play when he lied about being alone on the bike.
Then there is the national press. Ark administrators realize that every game they play this year will be covered by Espn talking heads discussing BP's problems. It will not go away for at least a year.
I'm an LSU fan. I've always been a Miles supporter. But if he did the same thing as BP I'd want him fired.

Posted by BhamTigah
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:50 am to
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Thats rude


Yeah, I should try to avoid being rude on a fricking message board.
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:51 am to
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I think you are confusing someone with having an affair with someone having an affair with a fellow co-worker (to whom she reports) and lying about it to the police and the university. I don't think the Popes and Mother Theresas on here would have had a problem with Arkansas' keeping Petrino if it were just the first case scenario. Drag the other elements of the case into it though and you are looking for a new football coach.


It's not about whether or not Arkansas is keeping Petrino. It's more about the ethics of our coaches in general. I wouldn't disagree with someone who said that Petrino is probably near the top in terms of questionable actions over the history of his coaching career, but I am just curious if this is because they feel that most coaches are much more ethical and well-behaved than him, or that they aren't dumb enough to put themselves in situations where their bad habits could easily be made public, such as Petrino riding around on a Harley on public roads with no helmet on with a girl that he just hired to be on his staff.

Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:53 am to
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Yeah, I should try to avoid being rude on a fricking message board.


Posted by bigeztiger
Columbus Ohio
Member since Jul 2011
5092 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:56 am to
I think miles is a stand up guy! Class act! But I also thought that about tressel
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:56 am to
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Post a pic of your girl or stfu.....


Haha this isn't the OT.
Posted by sasrocks
Kansas City MO
Member since Nov 2011
1067 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:07 am to
@befergu

Is about a pattern of premeditated behavior in Petrino's case that has put your program and your school in a bad situation. You all knew deep down BP was a dbag, but chose to ignore it because of results and the hunger to win. Not a sin necessarily. His actions are not exactly your fault, but the ball is now clearly in your court, and how you deal with it reflects on your values and character as an institution.

I think most here commiserate with your situation to some degree. Some are relishing in your misfortune. I don't and have not taken shots at UA (although one night I pasted one link of a badly done parody that I thought was vaguely funny funny, and got rightfully pounded for it. )

Point is, compare your recent events to our coaches unpremeditated DUI and his immediate confdession of guilt in person, and acceptaqnce of swift severe punishment by the AD. Your situationb is more complexa nd severe (due to hiring/personnel aspects). How this plays for you all will determine whether you will permanently wear the clown suit BP fitted you for, or whether you will regain respect based on the actions you take in the wake of this unfortunate incident.

The CFB world is watching. If you don't act in a way that reflects your institution's moral and legal authority, you will be put on a spit and roasted for eternity. What you have endured to date will be child's play. You know what the right thing to do is, just have to have the tummy to do it.
Posted by RebFeBrees
Pensacola, FL
Member since Dec 2009
13855 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:11 am to
Personally, I am not judging BP. He's a grown-arse man who can do what he wants and look into his own mirror.

However, looking at how things went down....BP might be one of the dumbest sons a bitches to walk the Earth.

Posted by KillianRussell
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2012
7319 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:12 am to
Basically the OP is looking for a second wrong to make a right ?
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:25 am to
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@befergu

Is about a pattern of premeditated behavior in Petrino's case that has put your program and your school in a bad situation. You all knew deep down BP was a dbag, but chose to ignore it because of results and the hunger to win. Not a sin necessarily. His actions are not exactly your fault, but the ball is now clearly in your court, and how you deal with it reflects on your values and character as an institution.

I think most here commiserate with your situation to some degree. Some are relishing in your misfortune. I don't and have not taken shots at UA (although one night I pasted one link of a badly done parody that I thought was vaguely funny funny, and got rightfully pounded for it. )

Point is, compare your recent events to our coaches unpremeditated DUI and his immediate confdession of guilt in person, and acceptaqnce of swift severe punishment by the AD. Your situationb is more complexa nd severe (due to hiring/personnel aspects). How this plays for you all will determine whether you will permanently wear the clown suit BP fitted you for, or whether you will regain respect based on the actions you take in the wake of this unfortunate incident.

The CFB world is watching. If you don't act in a way that reflects your institution's moral and legal authority, you will be put on a spit and roasted for eternity. What you have endured to date will be child's play. You know what the right thing to do is, just have to have the tummy to do it.


Good post.

You bring up some good points and I agree firing him would be taking the "high road" (assuming all of the allegations out are true) but as I'm sure you know, it would set us back many years as a football program which, hate it or not, is something that has to be heavily considered when you are the athletic director. I would absolutely hate to be Jeff Long right now.

That being said, I think that being "put on a spit and roasted for eternity" is a bit of a stretch. Things will be forgotten. New stories will come out, and people will move on. The success of the football program many years after Petrino leaves (assuming he ends up staying and doing well) won't have an asterisk next to it saying that he should have been fired. Employers won't stop hiring UofA graduates because their coach did something stupid and immoral. This will be a hot topic for a while and probably through next season if Petrino stays, but after that I really don't see many people relishing on it.

Honestly, I think this is a big consideration that the people in charge are pawning over. Assuming that there can be a realistic resolution between the university and potential lawsuits by Jessica or whoever else, they are having to decide if getting some bad publicity for a year is worth the continued increased success and revenue that the football program is bringing with Petrino at the helm.

I'm confident enough in my own beliefs that I won't feel insulted or embarrassed if my university makes a business decision that looks bad short-term. I know that this is a business decision, and that whatever decision is ultimately made was after a lot of deep thought and searching and will be what people who I am confident can run the program to the best of their ability feel was the best choice for the universal interests of our state and university.
Posted by sasrocks
Kansas City MO
Member since Nov 2011
1067 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:36 am to
quote:

Good post.

You bring up some good points and I agree firing him would be taking the "high road" (assuming all of the allegations out are true) but as I'm sure you know, it would set us back many years as a football program which, hate it or not, is something that has to be heavily considered when you are the athletic director. I would absolutely hate to be Jeff Long right now.

That being said, I think that being "put on a spit and roasted for eternity" is a bit of a stretch. Things will be forgotten. New stories will come out, and people will move on. The success of the football program many years after Petrino leaves (assuming he ends up staying and doing well) won't have an asterisk next to it saying that he should have been fired. Employers won't stop hiring UofA graduates because their coach did something stupid and immoral. This will be a hot topic for a while and probably through next season if Petrino stays, but after that I really don't see many people relishing on it.

Honestly, I think this is a big consideration that the people in charge are pawning over. Assuming that there can be a realistic resolution between the university and potential lawsuits by Jessica or whoever else, they are having to decide if getting some bad publicity for a year is worth the continued increased success and revenue that the football program is bringing with Petrino at the helm.

I'm confident enough in my own beliefs that I won't feel insulted or embarrassed if my university makes a business decision that looks bad short-term. I know that this is a business decision, and that whatever decision is ultimately made was after a lot of deep thought and searching and will be what people who I am confident can run the program to the best of their ability feel was the best choice for the universal interests of our state and university.



yes, eternity is a bit long. I hope you all can the guy, get a stand up, capable replacement and continue to improve/do well. From a conference standpoint the old guard may want to push you under the bus but I want to see all in the SEC be strong and uphold standards.
Posted by Fatbackhawg
Fayetteville
Member since Sep 2008
3139 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Mo Jeaux

quote:

douches have some doucheness douched


I have to remember this one.....
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31203 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:48 am to
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What is an acceptable amount of "naughtiness"?


Bobby would be naughty if he were just dicking around on his wife. And, IMO there would be no reason for Arky to do a damn thing to him for just dicking around on his wife, as that's a "family" issue.

But Bobby took it a step further by hiring/promoting his naughty counterpart to work as a subordinate in his department. Then in an attempt to cover his arse, he was untruthful to his superior.

That's all we know now, but he created a shitstorm of controversy for his employer, and he's completely humiliated his wife and children in the process.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71473 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:50 am to
I think if Les was cheating (which anyone who's seen his wife wouldn't blame him) he'd be smart enough not to hire her.
But to answer your question, no. I think he has more integrity than that.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36700 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:52 am to
quote:

I wouldn't disagree with someone who said that Petrino is probably near the top in terms of questionable actions over the history of his coaching career,


agree.

and in stupid ways IMO. you can leave your job more gracefully and have a lot fewer hard feelings. if you are going to have an affair at least be smart enough not to ride around in broad daylight with the woman - or even worse yet conspire to have the university to hire her

he is a very good football coach and obviously that gets you a lot of second chances. but it is the lack of judgement he uses more than the things he does wrong that make me smack my forehead

Posted by bpinson
Ms
Member since May 2010
2670 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:28 pm to
BP, is/was simply stupid. He allowed himself to be swept off his feet by the 25 yo. He should resign for being stupid, not to mention the embarrassment he is bringing on UA and the SEC. Did I say "stupid"? Then he tried to cover it up and lied to his boss after he hired his mistress, (alleged). Stupid, arrogant, just pick one, but you can't fix stupid.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:31 pm to
If your coach has enough time to have an affair and chase tail on the side, he's not worth the 3mil you're paying him to run your program.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36700 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:31 pm to
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He allowed himself to be swept off his feet by the 25 yo


this is your take on their relationship?
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:39 pm to
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BP, is/was simply stupid. He allowed himself to be swept off his feet by the 25 yo. He should resign for being stupid, not to mention the embarrassment he is bringing on UA and the SEC. Did I say "stupid"? Then he tried to cover it up and lied to his boss after he hired his mistress, (alleged). Stupid, arrogant, just pick one, but you can't fix stupid.


Tell us how you really feel. By the way, this has nothing to do with what I asked. You should share your feelings with us in one of the other 57 threads talking about Petrino in which this would actually apply to the topic at hand.

quote:

If your coach has enough time to have an affair and chase tail on the side, he's not worth the 3mil you're paying him to run your program.


See above. Also, I think he is easily worth the 3 million we are paying him. Do you have any idea how much increased revenue he has brought the university? From a business standpoint, he was a fantastic hire.
Posted by wdeinttown
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2011
2976 posts
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

yours got caught mf'er
this x 1000.
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