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Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:38 pm to accnodefense
Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:38 pm to accnodefense
It sucked. Widespread cheating, except for Arkansas and TCU. Texas schools and Texas refs. Arkansas was the only school outside of Texas. What do you think?
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Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:58 pm to ApexRex
I remember the old SWC pretty well. It had a very strong heyday, but what really killed it was when the second and third level programs of the 40s/50s/60s/70s had the bottom fall out-- Rice and TCU became uncompetitive, SMU had to cheat to have even a short burst of relevance again (before the bottom dropped out and the death penalty), and Houston's ascent from the much was just not enough-- the conference just could not thrive when it had only 3-4 bowl worthy teams a year, crumbling infrastructure all around the league, and half the league looking to scale back athletic budgets at the time.
The funny part was that Baylor and Tech got sucked up in the process of the death of the SWC to get into the Big XII, when they really had been trying to go the TCU/SMU/Rice route, rather than committing to big time athletics in the modern era.
The funny part was that Baylor and Tech got sucked up in the process of the death of the SWC to get into the Big XII, when they really had been trying to go the TCU/SMU/Rice route, rather than committing to big time athletics in the modern era.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 7:19 pm to ApexRex
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except for Arkansas and TCU
The idea of trying to place Arky above the fray is about as dumb as TCU, who was one of the worst violators ever as like SMU they were straight paying players over a 6-year period. They were also given very harsh sanctions. No idea why you would think they weren't cheating but since your post is no more than propaganda it doesn't really surprise me you missed such a well known fact.
I don't really care what you guys want to delude yourselves with but during the period of widespread corruption in the SWC, Arkansas was in its heyday. And like Armstrong, Bonds, McGuire, etc, it becomes pretty obvious what was going on. And Arky was in fact placed on probation in the 60s and again in the 90s (when they were deemed to have cheated over multiple years including SWC years). Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
ETA: not trying to suggest Arky did anything egregious, but come on man. The conference as a whole was very lax with rules. Everyone (but Rice actually) was cheating over 30 years or more
This post was edited on 12/15/12 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 12/15/12 at 8:04 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
quote:FIFY. The hate never dies.
We hate UT with a passion.
Posted on 12/15/12 at 9:11 pm to accnodefense
I worked in Dallas when the hogs ran roughshod over everyone in basketball (prior to nc year). Cleaned up on a bunch of bets that year, there was every school ar Texas Instruments where I worked.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:24 am to Hogsmoke
I graduated in '91 so I was there for some of A&M's good teams in the late 80's as well as Arkansas' final years in the conference... I still maintain we were robbed in the '89 game on a bad pass interference call: 23-22 pigs!
I'm also old enough to remember SMU's great teams from the early 80's (they went 45-5-1 from '80-'84... yes, they were cheating) as well as Texas going 30–5–1 from '81-'83 (yes, they were cheating too but never got caught!). Houston went 28-6 from '88-'90 and Andre Ware won the Heisman in '89....Yes, they were cheating too and got busted in '88.
It was a different era in college sports but there were definitely some GREAT football games being played. 7 of the 9 schools were within 250 miles of each other except for Tech and Arky which were the anomaly... go figure.
A family portrait prior to U of H's arrival in 1976.
Good times!
I'm also old enough to remember SMU's great teams from the early 80's (they went 45-5-1 from '80-'84... yes, they were cheating) as well as Texas going 30–5–1 from '81-'83 (yes, they were cheating too but never got caught!). Houston went 28-6 from '88-'90 and Andre Ware won the Heisman in '89....Yes, they were cheating too and got busted in '88.
It was a different era in college sports but there were definitely some GREAT football games being played. 7 of the 9 schools were within 250 miles of each other except for Tech and Arky which were the anomaly... go figure.
A family portrait prior to U of H's arrival in 1976.
Good times!Posted on 12/16/12 at 7:25 am to accnodefense
Loved it. Hated the Big 12
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:02 am to accnodefense
I have fond memories of the SWC. It was cool for what it was when it was. By the time the Razorbacks left, it was a mess of bad football.
The Aggies would romp through the conference and get humbled in the Cotton bowl by a team that had weathered some battles.
I look back with very good thoughts of the SWC, but I have nothing but disdain for the Big XII.
As I've said before, I was very jealous of Arky because they got out while the getting was good.
The Aggies would romp through the conference and get humbled in the Cotton bowl by a team that had weathered some battles.
I look back with very good thoughts of the SWC, but I have nothing but disdain for the Big XII.
As I've said before, I was very jealous of Arky because they got out while the getting was good.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 1:47 pm to accnodefense
I'm not too young.
I enjoyed the significance of the rivalries.
But the games were regional. No one outside of the southwest understood (or cared) what those rivalries meant. They weren't going to keep up with the new era of football/recruiting.
Bottom line: I definitely preferred the SWC to the shot-gun Big XII marriage; but our membership in the SEC trumps them all. It's where most of us have always wanted to be.
I enjoyed the significance of the rivalries.
But the games were regional. No one outside of the southwest understood (or cared) what those rivalries meant. They weren't going to keep up with the new era of football/recruiting.
Bottom line: I definitely preferred the SWC to the shot-gun Big XII marriage; but our membership in the SEC trumps them all. It's where most of us have always wanted to be.
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