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re: Program with the better 5 year outlook....
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:04 pm to bcshog
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:04 pm to bcshog
BCSHog are you asking who a person would buy stock in between Southern Cal and Notre Dame for who's gonna be better 5 years from now?
Since USC is about to receive recruiting sanctions, UCLA has a newly hired recruiting shark in Nuehisal, Carrol possibly looking to retire and since Notre Dame will probably hire a proven coach after this season, I would predict the power to start swinging back toward Notre Dame. But you are comparing a program who has their own TV contract. A program that was the first ever broadcast on TV. A program that has always been the nations premier Catholic school. Insert Tommy Tuberville up there and levy USC their rightful sanctions and I think ND will be able to play with Southern Cal in 5 years.
Variables always come in to play where powerhouses eventually go back down to mediocre for a while and mediocre programs that have been powerhouses in the past eventually come back up.
BCS you don't sound real intelligent in your argument. Arkansas does not have the potential to win that Auburn does. It's like saying Kentucky has as much potential as Georgia. It's not just logical.
Since USC is about to receive recruiting sanctions, UCLA has a newly hired recruiting shark in Nuehisal, Carrol possibly looking to retire and since Notre Dame will probably hire a proven coach after this season, I would predict the power to start swinging back toward Notre Dame. But you are comparing a program who has their own TV contract. A program that was the first ever broadcast on TV. A program that has always been the nations premier Catholic school. Insert Tommy Tuberville up there and levy USC their rightful sanctions and I think ND will be able to play with Southern Cal in 5 years.
Variables always come in to play where powerhouses eventually go back down to mediocre for a while and mediocre programs that have been powerhouses in the past eventually come back up.
BCS you don't sound real intelligent in your argument. Arkansas does not have the potential to win that Auburn does. It's like saying Kentucky has as much potential as Georgia. It's not just logical.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:10 pm to wildrebeltime
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BCSHog are you asking who a person would buy stock in between Southern Cal and Notre Dame for who's gonna be better 5 years from now? Since USC is about to receive recruiting sanctions, UCLA has a newly hired recruiting shark in Nuehisal, Carrol possibly looking to retire and since Notre Dame will probably hire a proven coach after this season, I would predict the power to start swinging back toward Notre Dame. But you are comparing a program who has their own TV contract. A program that was the first ever broadcast on TV. A program that has always been the nations premier Catholic school. Insert Tommy Tuberville up there and levy USC their rightful sanctions and I think ND will be able to play with Southern Cal in 5 years. Variables always come in to play where powerhouses eventually go back down to mediocre for a while and mediocre programs that have been powerhouses in the past eventually come back up. BCS you don't sound real intelligent in your argument. Arkansas does not have the potential to win that Auburn does. It's like saying Kentucky has as much potential as Georgia. It's not just logical.
Question:
Do you actually enjoy the taste of Houston's cock?
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:14 pm to bcshog
I don't know if WRT sucks it...but he damn sure holds it in his mouth...
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:19 pm to BilJ
I say Arkansas. Petrino is going to do really good there.
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:24 pm to Choctaw Hog
Choctaw what you've said really isn't logical.
There are about 10 to 15, maybe 20 programs that could afford to pay him more where he would have a better chance to win, b/c he would not be 8th to 10th in the conference pecking order in potential. 3, or 4, or 5 years from now there is a good chance at one point one of the programs will want to hire him, if he wins. There is a good chance that one of the programs will fire a coach, have a coach retire, have a coach go to the NFL creating an opening somewhere, at some point in time after Petrino has had a good season. do some research on Petrino. He interviewed for about 4 or 5 jobs when he was at Louisville. He quit on the Falcons b/c he couldn't get them to play hard. He has no ties to Arkansas. There is no logical reason why he'd turn down a place like Miami, or Michigan, or Southern Cal, or Ohio State, or Penn State, or Georiga, or Texas A&M, and the list goes on. If not for the extra money then to get into an easier place to win. Arkansas is a very hard place to win and I don't think he realized that when he took the job b/c Arkansas was coming off their 2 best consecutive seasons in decades in an era where we had 3 great running backs and several great defensive linemen from Little Rock which is really what carried the team more than Dmac and Felix. We rarely have that much homegrown talent.
I do not appreciate you calling me an idiot. I'm taking time to respond to some of your messages and I don't deserve that kind of treatment. YOu are stating things that are not logical and when I correct you, you need to relax and take a deep breath and respond with class, like I do for you. Hurling childish redneck insults gets you no where with me.
There are about 10 to 15, maybe 20 programs that could afford to pay him more where he would have a better chance to win, b/c he would not be 8th to 10th in the conference pecking order in potential. 3, or 4, or 5 years from now there is a good chance at one point one of the programs will want to hire him, if he wins. There is a good chance that one of the programs will fire a coach, have a coach retire, have a coach go to the NFL creating an opening somewhere, at some point in time after Petrino has had a good season. do some research on Petrino. He interviewed for about 4 or 5 jobs when he was at Louisville. He quit on the Falcons b/c he couldn't get them to play hard. He has no ties to Arkansas. There is no logical reason why he'd turn down a place like Miami, or Michigan, or Southern Cal, or Ohio State, or Penn State, or Georiga, or Texas A&M, and the list goes on. If not for the extra money then to get into an easier place to win. Arkansas is a very hard place to win and I don't think he realized that when he took the job b/c Arkansas was coming off their 2 best consecutive seasons in decades in an era where we had 3 great running backs and several great defensive linemen from Little Rock which is really what carried the team more than Dmac and Felix. We rarely have that much homegrown talent.
I do not appreciate you calling me an idiot. I'm taking time to respond to some of your messages and I don't deserve that kind of treatment. YOu are stating things that are not logical and when I correct you, you need to relax and take a deep breath and respond with class, like I do for you. Hurling childish redneck insults gets you no where with me.
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:25 pm to Sao
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I don't know if WRT sucks it...but he damn sure holds it in his mouth...
You're new around these parts...but you're learning fast.


Posted on 7/25/09 at 1:09 am to wildrebeltime
WRT, once again your post is filled drivel and once again you are proven to be the arse-wipe of Tigerdroppings. Please explain how Petrino can be considered a "job hopper" and Nutt isn't when their Head Coaching track record paralleled each other in their 1st 3 head coaching jobs?
1st Petrino: 4 Yrs – Louisville (2003-2006)
Nutt: 4 Yrs – Murray State (1993-1996)
2nd Petrino: 1 Yr – Atlanta Falcons (2007)
Nutt: 1 Yr – Boise State (1997)
3rd Petrino: To Be Determined
Nutt: 10 Yrs – Arkansas (1998-2007)
4th Petrino: Still on 3 HC Job
Nutt: ?? Yrs – Ole Miss
I know the above list will be a little hard for you to understand so I’ll try and explain it another way.
• Nutt was at his 1st Head Coaching job for 4 years, same for Petrino.
• Nutt was at his 2nd Head Coaching job for 1 year. Same for Petrino.
• Nutt’s 3rd Head Coaching job was at Arkansas and stayed for 10 years. Petrino’s 3rd Head Coaching job is at Arkansas and it remains to be seen how long he stays.
• Nutt is on his 4th head coaching job and its unknown how long he stays.
You state that Petrino “interviewed” for 4 or 5 jobs. Really? Which 5 schools would those be? Name them and show proof where he “interviewed” for them. But, even if he did, so fricking what? Did he not get an offer or just said no thanks? You're pathetic in your attempt to impugn Petrino while defending Nutt for doing the same thing. I suppose it was OK for Nutt to “interview” at Nebraska? How about Nutt contacting the other schools only to be told no, we’re not interested? I guess that’s OK with you because you are blinded by your perverted attraction to Nutt.
On a more civil note, my apologies for calling you an idiot but I really can’t think of a better word to describe you and your posts. If you can think of something more fitting I’ll be happy to consider your suggestion.
1st Petrino: 4 Yrs – Louisville (2003-2006)
Nutt: 4 Yrs – Murray State (1993-1996)
2nd Petrino: 1 Yr – Atlanta Falcons (2007)
Nutt: 1 Yr – Boise State (1997)
3rd Petrino: To Be Determined
Nutt: 10 Yrs – Arkansas (1998-2007)
4th Petrino: Still on 3 HC Job
Nutt: ?? Yrs – Ole Miss
I know the above list will be a little hard for you to understand so I’ll try and explain it another way.
• Nutt was at his 1st Head Coaching job for 4 years, same for Petrino.
• Nutt was at his 2nd Head Coaching job for 1 year. Same for Petrino.
• Nutt’s 3rd Head Coaching job was at Arkansas and stayed for 10 years. Petrino’s 3rd Head Coaching job is at Arkansas and it remains to be seen how long he stays.
• Nutt is on his 4th head coaching job and its unknown how long he stays.
You state that Petrino “interviewed” for 4 or 5 jobs. Really? Which 5 schools would those be? Name them and show proof where he “interviewed” for them. But, even if he did, so fricking what? Did he not get an offer or just said no thanks? You're pathetic in your attempt to impugn Petrino while defending Nutt for doing the same thing. I suppose it was OK for Nutt to “interview” at Nebraska? How about Nutt contacting the other schools only to be told no, we’re not interested? I guess that’s OK with you because you are blinded by your perverted attraction to Nutt.
On a more civil note, my apologies for calling you an idiot but I really can’t think of a better word to describe you and your posts. If you can think of something more fitting I’ll be happy to consider your suggestion.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 4:05 am to Choctaw Hog
Let's call it a tie.
Auburn and Arkansas can lose to each other, just DO NOT drop any OOC games. You make the rest of us look bad...and that's what really counts.
Auburn and Arkansas can lose to each other, just DO NOT drop any OOC games. You make the rest of us look bad...and that's what really counts.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 5:20 am to CC Tiger1
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Most of Auburn's recruits have a scholarship offer from at least one other elite team like Alabama
CC Tiger1 referred to Alabama as an "elite team". I saw it with my own eyes.

Posted on 7/25/09 at 6:47 am to Choctaw Hog
LINK
That article should shed some light on what a "job hopper" is all about.
The comparison you make to Petrino's job hoping and Nutt's is sort of laughable. Nutt was in the same place for 10 years and would have most likely finished his career b/c he loved Arkansas b/c he was an Arkansan. It was his dream to coach the hogs. I know LSU and Nebraska may have courted him in consecutive years and I think his agent might have used that to leverage a raise and an illustration that 2 prominient programs wanted him. Let that be a lesson to you that 8-4 is perceived good enough at Arkansas that a bigger program would interview that coach for their job.
Petrino was not at his Atlanta job for 1 year he quit with 3 games left in the season. Nutt was at Boise state 1 full year. The point is not necessarily that I'm critical of Petrino for advancing his career it's that if you read the above article there's just no evidence to suggest that the first year he does decent, then follows that up with 9 wins or something, he's not going to be on the phone trying to get to the next job. Arkansas is a place where you hardly ever put together 3 real good recruiting classes in a row. He'll have an idea after a good year that he's losing alot of talent and he'll know he'll be back in a rebuilding mode the next couple years and instead of doing that and taking a chance on getting fired like fans wanted Nutt after 05, I see no reason why he wouldn't jump. He's a business man like Saban. He's not loyal to anyone. Guys like that will always strike while the irons hot.
Do you ever get tired of your job? would you like to do the same thing for more money in a cooler town particularly if you knew fanfare (or managment) was about to grow wary on you? Do you know people or do you stay in one job a few years and feel a desire to move on just for change of scenary when there is incentive involved? it's the same principle. We've got 3 to 5 more years with him. The year he reaches a cotton bowl, he's gone. and he probabaly won't stick around to coach the cotton. Just keep that in mind.
That article should shed some light on what a "job hopper" is all about.
The comparison you make to Petrino's job hoping and Nutt's is sort of laughable. Nutt was in the same place for 10 years and would have most likely finished his career b/c he loved Arkansas b/c he was an Arkansan. It was his dream to coach the hogs. I know LSU and Nebraska may have courted him in consecutive years and I think his agent might have used that to leverage a raise and an illustration that 2 prominient programs wanted him. Let that be a lesson to you that 8-4 is perceived good enough at Arkansas that a bigger program would interview that coach for their job.
Petrino was not at his Atlanta job for 1 year he quit with 3 games left in the season. Nutt was at Boise state 1 full year. The point is not necessarily that I'm critical of Petrino for advancing his career it's that if you read the above article there's just no evidence to suggest that the first year he does decent, then follows that up with 9 wins or something, he's not going to be on the phone trying to get to the next job. Arkansas is a place where you hardly ever put together 3 real good recruiting classes in a row. He'll have an idea after a good year that he's losing alot of talent and he'll know he'll be back in a rebuilding mode the next couple years and instead of doing that and taking a chance on getting fired like fans wanted Nutt after 05, I see no reason why he wouldn't jump. He's a business man like Saban. He's not loyal to anyone. Guys like that will always strike while the irons hot.
Do you ever get tired of your job? would you like to do the same thing for more money in a cooler town particularly if you knew fanfare (or managment) was about to grow wary on you? Do you know people or do you stay in one job a few years and feel a desire to move on just for change of scenary when there is incentive involved? it's the same principle. We've got 3 to 5 more years with him. The year he reaches a cotton bowl, he's gone. and he probabaly won't stick around to coach the cotton. Just keep that in mind.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 6:56 am
Posted on 7/25/09 at 7:46 am to wildrebeltime
I would hope Ark would get better and I hope Petrino sticks around long enough to get the credit.
Dick Dastardly (petrino) and mutley (mullens)
Dick Dastardly (petrino) and mutley (mullens)
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 7:50 am
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:23 am to bcshog
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Hogville banned me for suggesting that Lanny was a tyrannical cock sucker.....
Truth hurts.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:34 am to Sao
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My insinuation wasn't that you are too old CA, it was that you are remedial and have the mental capacity of a 15 YO

Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:59 am to wildrebeltime
Hell Pat Forte wrote it so it must make it so.
Again, your only defense is that Petrino left with 3 games remaining. Well boo, hoo. That really affected the outcome of the season didn't it? shite happens and if Petrino didn't take the Hog job when he did we were going to move on. He contacted us not the other way around. Petrino knows he can and will compete for Championships and Arkansas and he and his family wanted to live in a great place. NW Arkansas consistantly ranks in one of the best in the country and he and his family love it here.
This can't be true because Ole Miss Fans insist that he left the Hogs. What gives?
There is no evidence to say that he will. That's just your speculation. When is the last time you talked to Petrino? That's what I thought.
This contradicts Petrino's statement a few days ago that he is going to look at redshirting some of the freshman that played last year to even out the class number. Why would he do that if he was planning on leaving in a couple of years? I suppose he will be checking with you to see if he should do that or not since you are such an expert on what Petrino is thinking.
Again and again you submit your opinion as some basis of fact. In case you haven't noticed WRT, you are the most detested poster on this board and your opinions carry the same weight as a dog's fart but again you continue to give your detractors ammunition. Congratulations and keep up the good work.


Again, your only defense is that Petrino left with 3 games remaining. Well boo, hoo. That really affected the outcome of the season didn't it? shite happens and if Petrino didn't take the Hog job when he did we were going to move on. He contacted us not the other way around. Petrino knows he can and will compete for Championships and Arkansas and he and his family wanted to live in a great place. NW Arkansas consistantly ranks in one of the best in the country and he and his family love it here.
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Nutt was in the same place for 10 years and would have most likely finished his career b/c he loved Arkansas b/c he was an Arkansan. It was his dream to coach the hogs.
This can't be true because Ole Miss Fans insist that he left the Hogs. What gives?
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there's just no evidence to suggest that the first year he does decent, then follows that up with 9 wins or something, he's not going to be on the phone trying to get to the next job
There is no evidence to say that he will. That's just your speculation. When is the last time you talked to Petrino? That's what I thought.
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He'll have an idea after a good year that he's losing alot of talent and he'll know he'll be back in a rebuilding mode the next couple years
This contradicts Petrino's statement a few days ago that he is going to look at redshirting some of the freshman that played last year to even out the class number. Why would he do that if he was planning on leaving in a couple of years? I suppose he will be checking with you to see if he should do that or not since you are such an expert on what Petrino is thinking.

Again and again you submit your opinion as some basis of fact. In case you haven't noticed WRT, you are the most detested poster on this board and your opinions carry the same weight as a dog's fart but again you continue to give your detractors ammunition. Congratulations and keep up the good work.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:18 am to BilJ
kinda pointless since I doubt either program will be very relevant in the next 5 years
Posted on 7/25/09 at 11:06 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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1BIGTigerFan
Sao is a seasoned poster, just new to TD.

Posted on 7/25/09 at 11:15 am to wildrebeltime
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wildrebeltime
Job hopping is an overused term.
The reality of working in America is that a person has to job hop in order to advance or move into better positions.
It is not just coaching but everyone.
In addition, why would any person give loyalty to a company/organization that does not reciprocate?
If you want to look at Petrino, at least be fair and account for the way Arthur Blank treated Reaves previously. Then tell me that Blank or the Falcons deserve anyone to be loyal to that organization.
In today's world, if a person does not look out for himself or his family nobody else will. Does that mean that Petrino did everything right? Certainly not. But at least have the maturity to understand that he was under strong pressure from an organization that has a history of cutting a head coach before a season is over. Petrino was also under strong pressure from Long to get his arse on the plane and come to Fayetteville or lose that opportunity.
It is easy for each of us to say what we would do without being in the line of fire. I doubt most would have handled it better.
It is a contract, contracts are made to be entered and then broken. That is why remedies are spelled out in contracts, that is why both sides hire expensive lawyers to negotiate and draft those things.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/25/09 at 12:12 pm to wildrebeltime
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Arkansas does not have the potential to win that Auburn does.
Since Petrino will be playing more of his own recruits each year, I believe our potential is better than it's been since the late 70's or early 80s. I may be wrong but I do believe a very large proportion of this year's starters are Petrino's recruits. That says a lot, going into his second year with only one full year of recruiting behind him.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 12:24 pm to Choctaw Hog
By leaving when he did Petrino opened himself up to alot of criticsm and the ability for alot of coaches to apply negative recruiting against him. Now, most coaches can say "he's a good coach, but he probabaly won't be your coach your entire career". That's a big reason I think it will prove to be a flop of a coaching hire. That Forde article along with every thing else will be pointed to for recruits by opposing coaches. You've also got Pitino saying "he always had a wandering eye".
I think there is evidence that suggests that he will leave though. Look at what coaches have historically done who had no ties to a particular school, who won after a few years and were offered by a bigger school particularly Petrino himself (nfl in that case). do they not take the better job 5 or 6 years later, about 80% of the time? The redshirting he's doing now with players already in the program have no bearing on his longterm outlook. He has recruited with short term outlook in my opinion b/c he has brought in so many unnecessary Juco players. Zamal Thomas for instance started at Lsu and was kicked off the team for breaking into a house. He's got 2 years left. You have to figure it will take him at minimum half a season to learn Petrino's offense. so basically at best you get a quality year 2 out of him, if he doesn't break into any more houses. After 2010, he'll be gone and you start all over again at that posisition with that scholly when you could of had a guy that had been in your program 2 years already if you would have recruited a little harder. So you do you want at that time? the linemen 3 years in the program with a junior and senior year remaining who knows the offense and has been in the weightroom? or taking a risk on a felon who'll give you 1.5 good year at best, then you start all over with a new player in 2011? It's pretty easy. He's done that with secondary and punter when that much Juco was not necessary. He did the same thing at Louisville and when he left, the bulk of the team was gone and they were young again. He's in the process of destroying the program, just like he did Louisville.
I think there is evidence that suggests that he will leave though. Look at what coaches have historically done who had no ties to a particular school, who won after a few years and were offered by a bigger school particularly Petrino himself (nfl in that case). do they not take the better job 5 or 6 years later, about 80% of the time? The redshirting he's doing now with players already in the program have no bearing on his longterm outlook. He has recruited with short term outlook in my opinion b/c he has brought in so many unnecessary Juco players. Zamal Thomas for instance started at Lsu and was kicked off the team for breaking into a house. He's got 2 years left. You have to figure it will take him at minimum half a season to learn Petrino's offense. so basically at best you get a quality year 2 out of him, if he doesn't break into any more houses. After 2010, he'll be gone and you start all over again at that posisition with that scholly when you could of had a guy that had been in your program 2 years already if you would have recruited a little harder. So you do you want at that time? the linemen 3 years in the program with a junior and senior year remaining who knows the offense and has been in the weightroom? or taking a risk on a felon who'll give you 1.5 good year at best, then you start all over with a new player in 2011? It's pretty easy. He's done that with secondary and punter when that much Juco was not necessary. He did the same thing at Louisville and when he left, the bulk of the team was gone and they were young again. He's in the process of destroying the program, just like he did Louisville.
Posted on 7/25/09 at 12:34 pm to wildrebeltime
So you can't have Juco's on a team unless you're going elsewhere?
And please don't say recruiting felons or character risk unless you want to talk about credit cards and plungers
As for leaving a young team, he left 16 of 22 starters from a BSC squad including a NFL QB as someone who holds the NFL on such a level I think you would understand.
And please don't say recruiting felons or character risk unless you want to talk about credit cards and plungers
As for leaving a young team, he left 16 of 22 starters from a BSC squad including a NFL QB as someone who holds the NFL on such a level I think you would understand.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 12:36 pm
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