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re: Pro Style Offense Won't Win Anymore Championships
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:58 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:58 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Oh, and LSU is one of the few teams in the SEC that fat, shitty Bert has actually beaten multiple times. Embarrassing.
Yeah that is embarrassing. But that was when Miles was still coach, but he's gone now. Hence, that won't happen any longer.
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:02 pm to Space Cowboy
Will likely happen in 2018 IMO
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:04 pm to Pride of Georgia
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Who is Hurst and and a pro style barely wins the NC game look it up. If LSU had a spread attack in 2011 they would have won it all
You're more than just a little mentally handicapped, you are a complete and utter ignoramus.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:12 pm to pvilleguru
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But you didn't have a QB on the roster that could pass on us, which allowed us to sell out to stop the run. A better QB would have opened the game up for yall, even with Miles.
We did have a quarterback that could have won. We just didn't have the creative coaching that would have enabled us to win.
You guys weren't all that on defense, but playing against an anemic Les Miles offense, made you guys look invincible. That game went just as I had dreamed the night before it would go, because I knew Les Miles and how poor of a coach he really was. So while most LSU tigers were pissed off at Jordan and surprised at the outcome, I wasn't one of them.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:21 pm to Space Cowboy
quote:Who would that be? Lee's stat line against Alabama in his career was 24-58, 316 yards, 1 TD, and 7 INTs.
We did have a quarterback that could have won.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:24 pm to Space Cowboy
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We did have a quarterback that could have won. We just didn't have the creative coaching that would have enabled us to win.
LSU fans that bash Miles to this degree amuse me. Was he a great coach? Yes. Was it time for a change? Also yes. Lee would have made no difference in that game.
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You guys weren't all that on defense, but playing against an anemic Les Miles offense, made you guys look invincible
That year's Alabama team was the best college defense I have seen. They were much better than 2016 Alabama. The most an opponent scored on them all year was 21. It was GA Southern. The most an SEC opponent scored on them was 14. That was by Bobby Petrino's (offensive genius) 11-2 Arkansas team. LSU was also an all time great team that year under Les Miles, and you don't win to that degree without good coaching. It wasn't some Larry Coker shite. He was in his 7th year.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:39 pm to Pride of Georgia
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Will likely happen in 2018 IMO
Dream on and I doubt it for a long time in the future. Look at you guys piss poor recruiting.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:41 pm to pvilleguru
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Who would that be? Lee's stat line against Alabama in his career was 24-58, 316 yards, 1 TD, and 7 INTs.
Look dude, figure it out, the quarterback wasn't the problem so much as it was the piss poor coaching.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:48 pm to BlackCloud
You know what's funny? When Coach O said he was going to run a pro style offense like they had at USC. He thought he was getting Kiffin and would run the spread. Kiffin took the FAU job and hired a pro style OC. Wasn't that the reason why LSU fired Miles? They wanted to go spread?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:51 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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LSU fans that bash Miles to this degree amuse me. Was he a great coach? Yes. Was it time for a change? Also yes. Lee would have made no difference in that game.
Idiots like you who think Miles was a great coach crack me up. LSU won despite Les Miles, not because of him.
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That year's Alabama team was the best college defense I have seen. They were much better than 2016 Alabama.
See what I mean, Les Miles's piss poor coaching made Alabama's defense seem invincible. The truth is LSU had a better defense than Alabama's that year, but Saban didn't return the favor of coaching so piss poor.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:06 pm to Space Cowboy
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LSU won despite Miles, not because of him
This is ludicrous. No program wins in spite of coaching. Alabama had a string of bad coaches and bad football teams prior to Saban. Michigan had a decade of that prior to Harbaugh. Those are both bluebloods. LSU is not special.
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Les Miles's piss poor coaching made Alabama's defense seem invincible
Their 13 games over the course of that season made their defense seem invincible because it was. The most a conference opponent scored on them all year was fourteen. 21-14 is still a loss.
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The truth is LSU had a better defense than Alabama's that year
Don't know about better, but it was very, very good. It had a ton of playmakers.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:09 pm to Space Cowboy
Deshaun Watson is not the most dynamic qb in 20 years
Jesus h Christ
Jesus h Christ
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:15 pm to joshua2571
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You know what's funny? When Coach O said he was going to run a pro style offense like they had at USC. He thought he was getting Kiffin and would run the spread. Kiffin took the FAU job and hired a pro style OC. Wasn't that the reason why LSU fired Miles? They wanted to go spread?
When did O say he wanted to run a pro style offense? Never. He said he wanted a dual threat quarterback, and that pissed off Myles Brennan. He was going to wait for his buddy Lane and then would have hired him had he not gotten a head job. Of course, when Lane got the job he did, he denied publicly that he had that deal with O, but Lane would have been stupid to admit it and burn bridges with Saban when he didn't have to and when he was needing Saban to possibly put in good reference for him. Anyway, as soon as Lane took the job, O did his research and hired Canada, who I feel like is a better OC than Lane and not nearly as sleazy.
When O talked about running the USC offense, he was talking about the stupid mistakes he made at Ole Miss during his first tenure as head coach. He said he was so stupid that he made his OC run the USC offense even though his OC didn't know it. He said he tried to micromanage everything and every coaching decision, even though all he knew was the defensive line. Anyway, he learned from his stupid mistakes at Ole Miss and never repeated all those stupid mistakes again either at USC or at LSU, as Ole Miss turned out to be a great learning experience for O. Today, he is a damn good head coach and you guys will find that out in the next few seasons. Plus that sucker is a great recruiter. The future is going to be bright at LSU.
They fired Miles because for years LSU was winning despite Miles, not because of Miles. Miles was always a piss poor coach. He was a good guy to go drink a beer with or to play cards with, but he just was a piss poor coach. I liked the dude as a person, but not as a coach. The guy just can't communicate and if you can't communicate, it's kind of hard to be a good coach. He'll be good on ESPN if he is in a goofy roll, but if they try to make him into a football analyst, they will set him up to fail.
Look, if Miles was a good coach, he would have found another head coaching job this year given all the interviews he had. Nobody would touch him with a 10 foot pole, and I don't blame them.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:33 pm to Space Cowboy
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Look, if Miles was a good coach, he would have found another head coaching job this year given all the interviews he had. Nobody would touch him with a 10 foot pole, and I don't blame them.
If you were his age and had made the money he has made wouldn't you do the same thing? He's a multimillionaire still getting paid big money for nothing. I don't blame Miles for wanting to ride off into the sunset a few million dollars richer without the possibility of tarnishing his legacy by taking on a tough rebuild. Again, one doesn't win to the degree that he won without knowing what you are doing. Program doesn't matter. LSU hasn't seen a severe downswing like Tennessee in some time, but they'll see soon.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:44 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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LSU hasn't seen a severe downswing like Tennessee in some time, but they'll see soon.
At least we have a few NC and SEC Titles from the past 10-15 years to reminisce about.
Hopefully we will never see a downswing like rKansas is currently experiencing........No NC in over 50 years and no conference titles in over 25 years since joining the SEC.
That's the mother of all severe downswings.
How is it down there in the SEC cellar?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 11:01 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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This is ludicrous. No program wins in spite of coaching. Alabama had a string of bad coaches and bad football teams prior to Saban. Michigan had a decade of that prior to Harbaugh. Those are both bluebloods. LSU is not special.
Well LSU was different, Saban unleashed the tiger and got the university to upgrade the facilities and started the momentum rolling. When Miles took over, the coffers were chock a block full. We already had a national championship recruited. If Miles would have stopped interfering with Fisher in 2006, we would have won a national championship a year earlier. In 2007 we ended up winning one even though Miles tried his best to stop us from getting in the championship game. Indeed, it was a freaking miracle that we even ended up in the championship game. Now we obviously had the best team in the country that year, but thank to Miles, the only reason we got in the game was because of a freaking miracle, and then not even Miles could screw up that game against OSU so we ended up winning another championship, not because of Miles, but despite Miles.
Anyway, all that success in Miles early years, thanks to Saban leaving the coffers chock a block full created the impression that Miles was a really great coach. Hence, all the impressionable Louisiana kids wanted to play for LSU. Indeed, look at all those wins. However, those wins were really because of Saban's players, instead of Miles. Now Miles did have some good years recruiting too, but that was mostly due to the impression all those wins had on those prospective LSU players who thought Miles was a lot better than he was. Then gradually the stupid losses started slowly mounting up and Miles was exposed more an more as the years went on until finally he was out.
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Their 13 games over the course of that season made their defense seem invincible because it was. The most a conference opponent scored on them all year was fourteen. 21-14 is still a loss.
LSU was undefeated going into that Championship game, nevertheless I knew we could not win that game against Alabama because I knew that Miles was a piss poor offensive coach, and LSU's anemic offense in that game did indeed make Alabama's defense look like it was invincible, but nevertheless LSU's defense was actually better overall that year than Alabama's. Not to mention, that our offense also had struggled that entire season thanks to Miles' piss poor offense that after all these years we finally dumped at the end of this season. Hallelujah.
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Don't know about better, but it was very, very good. It had a ton of playmakers.
That defense was better than Alabama's defense but because we had no offense, it was forced to stay on the field almost the entire game and inevitably got wore down. I mean all we had for most of the game were three and outs that lasted about a minute a piece, so the defense never had a chance to rest. Of course, since this was the second game we played Alabama that season, they knew every play we were going to run even before the ball was snapped. Just like last year and just like this year. So it wasn't very hard for Alabama to shut us out.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 11:23 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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If you were his age and had made the money he has made wouldn't you do the same thing? He's a multimillionaire still getting paid big money for nothing. I don't blame Miles for wanting to ride off into the sunset a few million dollars richer without the possibility of tarnishing his legacy by taking on a tough rebuild. Again, one doesn't win to the degree that he won without knowing what you are doing. Program doesn't matter. LSU hasn't seen a severe downswing like Tennessee in some time, but they'll see soon.
Per his contract, Miles is required to find another job so that LSU only has to pay him the difference.
Meanwhile, I'm an LSU grad and I followed the program very closely ever year and watched every game during Miles's his entire career and from the very beginning on I could see he wasn't a very good coach, and that he had inherited a very good team. Indeed, Saban was crazy to leave LSU to go to Miami, had he stayed at LSU he would have far more national championships today.
In any event, the reason we didn't have a rapid drop off like Tennessee and other teams is because the coffers were chock a block full of talent when Miles arrived on campus courtesy of Nick Saban, and because that talent was already there, it was preordained that LSU would win, even though LSU struggled far more than it should have. Nevertheless, we did win most of those games, and those victories gave the false impression that Miles was a great coach when he was not, and that false impression led to more great recruiting years because the kids wanted to stay home and play for the flagship university. Not to mention, that LSU's facilities are second to none and Tiger Stadium is also a very big attraction for recruits.
Nonetheless, Saban had more to do with Miles' success at LSU than Miles had. Had Miles arrived on the campus with the coffers empty like when Saban had arrived, he would have been gone in three years. Without all those early victories courtesy of Saban, that false impression that Miles was a great coach never would have manifested, and without that false impression, the recruiting would have inevitably suffered.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:05 am to Pride of Georgia
Actually if Bama had a traditional game manger who could complete some easy passes they would have finished Clemson in the first quarter.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:20 am to Pride of Georgia
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Quarterbacks that can't pass won't win any more championships
fify
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:24 am to Pride of Georgia
Matt Canada has the knowledge to run any style of offense he wants. So yes, LSU has the ability to change.
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