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re: Pods are Dumb

Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by southernboisb
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:44 pm to
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FreddieMac
Pods are Dumb
Bama does not like it because it would force them to play uga and Florida in the regular season every 4 years instead of every 20.


I thought that was the gripe BY EVERYBODY about the current rotation - distance between games.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:45 pm to
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No pods are 4 divisions. 3 permanent means every team has its own permanent opponents.


So suggest it

You already had bama with two permanents as UTenn, Auburn. Who is their third?

Auburn has bama and UGA. Who’s theirs?

UGA has UF and Auburn. Who’s theirs?

UT has Bama and Vandy. Who is theirs?

Now, try to do it and make the schedule remotely even.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:45 pm to
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Oilfieldbiology
Pods are Dumb

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Pods offer no benefit over giving every team 3 permanent opponents.



What about playing the entire conference every 2 years and having an extremely balanced schedule?



HOW are you playing the entire conference in 2 years?
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:47 pm to
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What about playing the entire conference every 2 years and having an extremely balanced schedule?


You do this with 3 permanent + 6 rotating.

I understand the benefit of pods over divisions. No one has articulated how pods are superior to 3 + 6.
Posted by GruvenDawg
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:49 pm to
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You gave this example. Let's choose Alabama since they're in slot #1.
Game 1 - Tennessee (Pod 1 member)
Game 2 - Auburn (Pod 1 member)
Game 3 - Vanderbilt (Pod 1 member)
Game 4 - Oklahoma (Pod 2 rival)
Game 5 - LSU (Pod 3 rival)
Game 6 - Georgia (Pod 4 rival)

If you have a 9 game conference schedule, you've filled out 2/3 of the Tide's opponents each year.


Interesting idea. Genuinely curious. How does this work with scheduling? Do they play the pod 2/3/4 “rival” every year? I’m not sure how that works for the all 16 teams play all 16 teams in a home and away format in a 4 year period. I definitely might not understand what your saying.

In the pod 1 example vs pod 2 example here is how I saw it working out.

Year 1 Pod 1 vs Pod 2 schedule
Bama vs OU, Bama vs Mizz

Year 2 Pod 1 vs Pod 2 schedule
Bama vs TX, Bama vs Ark.

Year 3 repeat year 1 schedule

I’m on my phone so I don’t want to extrapolate that schedule for Bama vs the other 2 pods but you get the idea. Bama vs other pods would be 3 traditional powers every year and 3 non traditional power teams every year
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:50 pm to
You'ld see every team in 3 years & full rotation in 6.

&, with my suggestion, each team would have 6 annual games, so that should be AMPLE material to figure out the pods.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:55 pm to
But the catch with your format is if you're not in the same pod as somebody else, you have 1 chance to keep that rivalry game.


So, let's give you an example:

Pod is Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy
Alabama's +1 is LSU.

You've just now kissed the great MSU/Ala. rivaly to every other year.

What if Auburn's +1 was Florida. DSOR is no longer annually.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:55 pm to
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HOW are you playing the entire conference in 2 years?


You play the 3 in tour pod and the. 1/2 of each of the other 3 pods 1 year. The next year you play the other half.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37580 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:56 pm to
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You do this with 3 permanent + 6 rotating. I understand the benefit of pods over divisions. No one has articulated how pods are superior to 3 + 6.


Because it lends itself to being a significantly more fair/even schedule.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7330 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:58 pm to
But if a certain school isn't in your pod, you've changed that game to every other year.

Ex.: pod of Alabama, Auburn, Tenn., Vandy

DSOR is now every 2nd year instead of annually.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37580 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:59 pm to
And?
Posted by Go Go Gata
Member since Oct 2016
2177 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:59 pm to
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Florida - Georgia, South Carolina, LSU


Can we have UK over SC?

Prefer Tenn or AUB but UK is more a rival than SC.
35 year streak and all.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:01 pm to
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Bama does not like it because it would force them to play uga and Florida in the regular season every 4 years instead of every 20


Have you looked at the record vs those 2?
Do you even watch football?
Posted by Go Go Gata
Member since Oct 2016
2177 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:03 pm to
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Have you looked at the record vs those 2?
Do you even watch football?


He's thinking long-term.
This crap will end eventually.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12619 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:05 pm to
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Because it lends itself to being a significantly more fair/even schedule.


I don’t see the pods as any more balanced than the permanents I posted.

I understand why an LSU fan wants a pod of Texas A&M and the Mississippi schools though
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:07 pm to
That is similar with all POD formats.

Alignment of UT and AU keeps the most important rivalries and the +1 is likely MSU for Bama to keep its oldest alive. Similar alignment would be needed for other teams. For example, UF, UGA USCe, UK with UGa keeping AU as permanent rival.

Math and scheduling is cleaner for the rotation with 2 x perm opponents. That is 5 of the same opponents every year (3 x Pod + 2x perm) and the remaining 10 teams are played H and A over 4vyr period. However, 2 x perm opponents already proved unpopular/unbalanced.

In any case, 10 SEC game schedule would be great for fans.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Lord Orgeron
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2017
945 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:07 pm to
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Sadly the SECCG is about to be as relevant as conference tournaments in basketball and baseball


IMO this can not happen under any circumstances. SECCG holds way too much weight to be sacrificed like that
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7330 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:08 pm to
How it works is each year you play your pod mates (3 games). You play your designated rival in the other pods (3 games). & then you pair up pods yearly (other 3 games).
This gives you a 9 game schedule where you know 6 of your opponents. The other 3 games are the members of your "paired pod" who isn't your rival.

This lets you play every school in 3 years & a full H/A rotation in 6. There's no way to visit every school H/A in 4 years WITHOUT losing rivalries/important games (or changing those games to being played every other year).


Now, to get the SECCG opponents, the "winner" of the paired pods is the contestants.
example
Year 1 - Pods A/B winner vrs. Pods C/D winner
Year 2 - Pods A/C winner vrs. Pods B/D winner
Year 3 - Pods A/D winner vrs. Pods B/C winner
This is an easy solution because each paired pod team has 7 common opponents on their schedule.


Let me know if I need to explain more.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28297 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:09 pm to
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and get rid of locked-in 'rivalries'.


rivalries is what make college football special.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7330 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:10 pm to
&, while it might not mean anything to you, that game DOES to Georgia & Auburn.
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