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re: Per Brooks - HBO Real Sports Special - 4 ex-AU players admit to being paid

Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:36 am to
Posted by MsGarrison
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:36 am to
Well we know Sports by Brooks is a guy out to get the SEC. Im interested in seeing this play out on TV and what other schools they are going after.. Remember this isnt just about Auburn even though I think this was intentional done to boost ratings and increase his site visits.
Posted by Tds & Beer
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:38 am to
It's obvious that shite went on at Auburn, but hey shite goes on at every school. We should all be holding our breath when this comes on tv.
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:42 am to
So they didn't even bother asking for the coachs name that paid him/them? Wtf
Posted by chadau79
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:44 am to
I am pretty sure it was leaked that the coach was Eddie Gran. HBO probably removed it though to avoid a lawsuit.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:45 am to
ATPB
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:51 am to
Posted by chadau79
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:53 am to
It is funny how two of the guys hating on McGlover are in this picture with him. I am not taking it off of my wall though. The 2005 iron bowl was one of the best ones to me.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:54 am to
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that's Julio Jones and Star Jackson with some Bama girl on their recruiting visit.


So?
Posted by bamasgot13
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:57 am to
May not have said booster names for fear of suit, but don't know why they didn't say coach's name. As a public figure the burden of proof for libel/slander is considerable. HBO would not have fear of coach suing bc he likely couldnt win (has to prove hbo knew claims were false & reported any way or just made up the claims themselves). Likely were threatened with a suit that, while they knew they would win, would have delayed the airing & felt they had a good show even without coaches name.
Posted by Robin Masters
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:59 am to
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ThaKaptin

Winning!!!
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:02 am to
I don't even understand why people are trying to spin it like they didn't get paid. These guys got paid.

The part that gets me is that every college, even the crappy ones, are doing this. I knew football players at a crappy school that were getting tons of spending cash and their stadium can only seat about 18 families if they're well oiled up and you have a shoe horn. If bad teams are paying, then SEC teams are paying.

The whole system is dirty. Coaches cannot control the handshakes. NCAA will throw Auburn under the bus at some point to make an example, however they're not going to mess with the system.
Posted by chadau79
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:02 am to
I assume it is just good journalism. They let McGlover tell the story in his own words, that way if he is lying then it is all on him. They don't name any names because they don't want to hurt someone by letting information out that they can't confirm with multiple sources. It will be a highly rated show with or without naming the coaches.
Posted by RJYH
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:06 am to
Another breakdown of the show, a lot of it's been posted.

The HBO "Real Sports" report -- the first of two on this episode -- opens with Tyrone Prothro. He is profiled as a teller at Regions Bank, the one across the street from the UA Aquatic Center on the corner of Bryant and Hackberry.

This segment is about how much college programs make vs. players not getting a cut (of course it barely mentions scholarships), and Prothro is the centerpiece.

The segment says after his injury that Prothro "would never play here again," showing Bryant-Denny Stadium. Actually, if I'm not mistaken he played a snap or two against Mississippi State as a sort of farewell appearance at the end of a game. Am I imagining that? Or did HBO just not do its homework?

Prothro is asked how much money he got paid at Alabama:

"Not a dime ... not a dime," is his answer.

We'll juxtapose that with answers from another instate player (or is it players) in a little while when that part comes up.

Also of note, on the panel of experts is the commissioner of the Ivy League. Next, I guess we'll hear from the SWAC commissioner on the BCS?

Former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon is also part of the segment.

He raises an interesting question -- more interesting, IMHO, than the question about paying players while they are in college:

To use the highlight of Prothro's catch against Southern Miss, HBO had to pay several hundred dollars in rights fees (I think now it goes to XOS, which inked a multi-million dollar deal with the SEC for such things). Prothro, of course, doesn't receive a penny.

Now that's an important distinction from paying players for play -- if Prothro makes an all-time catch playing for Alabama, should he get a cut in later use of that clip?

The NCAA -- the same people who brought you the "loophole" explanation on the Cam Newton case (don't get me started) and the "clarification" on the Ohio State guys playing in the bowl -- declined to send a representative to HBO's panel disussion.

Second segment (the one you've been waiting for) starts out with the focus squarely on former Auburn player Stanley McClover.

Andrea Kremer goes through a stack of envelopes with recruiting letters to McClover. N.C. State, Kentucky, Memphis, I think Oklahoma.

No Alabama letter mentioned nor visable to my eyes. The Auburn letter with the big AU logo is prominent right on top.

McClover talks about getting his first $500 handshake at a camp at LSU. Says he didn't know the guy who gave it to him.

"Thank you and I'm seriously thinking about coming to LSU," McClover said he told the booster.

Of note, and you will hear about this tomorrow for sure:

Kremer says McClover said he got what he termed "money handshakes" at Auburn ("for a couple hundred dollars") and Michigan State. She also talks about him getting "about a thousand dollars" in handshakes at Ohio State -- but we never see McClover say this on campus.

He does talk on camera about committing to Ohio State after a party where he was offered his choice of girls for sexual services on an offial visit. He committed to THE Ohio State University right after that visit.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Coaches cannot control the handshakes


They can if it's from them.
Posted by RJYH
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:07 am to


After committing to OSU, McClover says Auburn reps contacted him:

"I rememer it like it was yesterday. 'What do we have to do to have you come to Auburn University?' ... I gave them an answer," he said.

Once again, we don't get McClover on camera saying the important words, we get Kremer saying McClover said he got money "delivered in a book bag, exact amount unknown."

Then McClover goes on camera to answer the question, "What were you thinking?"

McClover: "I almost passed out. ... I couldn't believe it was true."

Kremer: "You felt obligated to them ..."

McClover: "I felt totally obligated."

Kremer: "Because of the money?"

McClover: "Yeah."

Kremer notes there is no documentation of the payoff -- email, receipts, ect.

The $200,000 Cam question is raised: Kremer notes that on signing day, he signed with Auburn and not Ohio State.

Troy Reddick, another former Auburn player, is brought into the segment.

He says, with no specifics, that he "wasn't surprised" by anything that went on in the recruiting process.

Reddick said Auburn wasn't among his top five school choices, but then: "I was contacted by a representative of a local alumni and offered a large sum of money."

Reddick said his thought was that people were trying to take advantage of him and he wasn't going to give anybody any power over him whatsoever.

Kremer says (again without Reddick saying so on camera) that Reddick said he turned down the offer but went to Auburn anyway.

Reddick says, according to Kremer, that Auburn coaches asked him to change his major because his class schedule conflicted with football.

Reddick, on camera, says he changed his major but "didn't go" (to class, presumably) "because I knew I was only there to play football."

Reddick said he started complaining, saying me might want to leave. A coach (unnamed, but this would have been on Tommy Tuberville's staff, obvioulsy) invited him up to the office saying he had mail for Reddick and gave him an envelope.

Reddick said he found "about $500" in the envelope. Says it happened "two or three more times" that season and "six or seven times" his senior season.

Back to McClover, and back to Kremer speaking without McClover saying it on camera:

She says McClover said he was also paid while at Auburn, "paid by boosters," she says.

McClover goes on camera: Said he wanted a 1973 Chevy Impala. The seller wanted $7,000 in cash, McClover says, "So I went to my booster who I knew and he gave me the money the next day in a book bag."

Now we get into the specific incentive plan:

Asked how much a sack was worth, McClover says: "Anywhere between 3 to 400 dollars, for one, so my goal was always to get multiple (sacks)."

For four sacks against Alabama (Brodie), he says he was paid: "$4000, against Alabama. ... Don't no other game matter but Auburn-Alabama," attributing the higher per sack rate to the rivalry,.

Posted by RJYH
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:07 am to
Next up on the former Auburn player pay parade on the HBO "Real Sports" segment, Chaz Ramsey:

Again, it's Kremer and not Ramsey talking first, saying that Ramzey says he, too, got "money handshakes after games" in 2007.

Cut to Ramsey on camera:

"You walk out and all the fans are waiting to sign autographs and everything and some some guy just walks up to you and shakes your hand and it's a wad full of money."

Kremer: "How much money, how much are we talking about?"

Ramsey: "Three or four hundred dollars a game."

Now Kremer introduces Raven Gray, another Auburn player. Kremer says Gray says "people affiliated with Auburn" visited him while he was in junior college.

Cut to Gray sitting next to Chaz, and Kremer asks Gray how much money he got:

"Twenty-five (hundred), 25 to 3,000 dollars," Gray says.

"This man giving money to me, I'm going to be loyal to him and go up to Auburn," Gray says.

We're told about Ramsey's (dismissed) lawsuit alleging that coaches and a trainer pushed him to return from injury too soon.

Chaz says he has no axe to grind, that he just wants recruits to know it's a business and know what they're getting into.

He also says of an unnamed coach:

"His favorite saying after practice would be, 'Academics is No. 1 (holding up two fingers) and football is No. 2 (holding up one finger), and he would repeat himself on that all the time."

Ramsey talks about selling tickets, helmets, jerseys, etc.:

"I would sell tickets all the time," Ramsey says. "Iron Bowl, you could make a thousand dollars a ticket."

Ramsey estimates he made $5,000 to $6,000 selling tickets.

Kremer points out this is an NCAA violation.

Back to Reddick, who says:

"I sold my SEC championship watch right off the stage as we was celebrating in Toomer's Corner."

Kremer: "Why did you sell it?"

Reddick: "Because it was useless to me. I had to sell all my championship rings to help my sister not go into debt ..."

Segment goes back to Auburn for the close with some general comments from McClover and Reddick.

Auburn gave HBO a statement about the school's dedication to compliance to NCAA and SEC rules.

We're back to the panel discussion now. Rich Rodriguez says the game is cleaner now than at any time he can remember.

Bryant Gumbel makes an off-hand comment about Nick Saban trying to "demonize" agents (referring to his comments saying some were like pimps at last year's SEC Media Days) while at the same time, according to Gumbel, Saban is using kids in the same way (to enrich himself).

Everyone decries the system, Billy Packer says what's going on in basketball recruiting is "worse than it has ever been." (NOTE: I think he's right on this, especially on what he says about the influence of AAU teams and coaches in the process.)

That's about it: whatever else there is comes from the panel discussion, just a lot obvious stuff about how things don't work the way they should.

Hope that gives you guys some facts -- rather than broad speculation -- about what the HBO show is all about and what is and isn't said.


Posted by chilld28
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:08 am to
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Prothro is asked how much money he got paid at Alabama: "Not a dime ... not a dime," is his answer.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:09 am to
quote:

For four sacks against Alabama (Brodie), he says he was paid: "$4000, against Alabama. ... Don't no other game matter but Auburn-Alabama," attributing the higher per sack rate to the rivalry,.

Anyone know where I can locate Brodie Croyle? I assume that offer is still good right?
Posted by Jma313
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:13 am to
time to sit back and watch the mayhem unfold.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Prothro is asked how much money he got paid at Alabama: "Not a dime ... not a dime," is his answer.


what do you expect him to say with teh camera on him?

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