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re: Overwhelming majority of SEC schools favor the 6-1-1 scheduling system
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:07 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:07 pm to ProjectP2294
Back when all the permanents were determined, USC and Ark played each other because they were the two newbies.
Bama did not want to play Fla because they are the second largest financial program in the SEC in a state with more talent than any other.
Their next biggest competition was LSU which was close to Texas and if they put the Fla juggernaut with Spurrier against LSU that's one less west opponent they had to worry about.
Bama did not want to play Fla because they are the second largest financial program in the SEC in a state with more talent than any other.
Their next biggest competition was LSU which was close to Texas and if they put the Fla juggernaut with Spurrier against LSU that's one less west opponent they had to worry about.
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Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:07 pm to ProjectP2294
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UTs heydey (in the modern era) coincided with a down LSU, a down USC, and a relatively down Georgia. They were able to pull from NOLA, Southern California, and Atlanta to fill their roster. They aren't getting the top players from any of those areas now, and likely not any time soon.
Yeah...late 90s SEC was UF, UT, and everyone else. State made it to the SECCG one year. That's all you need to know. They can become a consistent top 25 program again if they ever manage not to frick up their coaching search, but for them to become a top 5-10 program that competes for NCs every year they will need to make a home run hire while 2 or 3 of UGA, Bama, USCe, and LSU completely frick up theirs.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:08 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Just curious....when was the last time Bama played UF and either UGA or USCe in the same regular season (not including the SECCG)?
2010
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:11 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Just curious....when was the last time Bama played UF and either UGA or USCe in the same regular season (not including the SECCG)?
In 2010 they played Florida & South Carolina. Surprisingly, 2010 is also the 1 year they lost to an eastern division school since they stopped vacating games in 2007.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:11 pm to lsu711
It wasn't to Fla though. Was it?
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:16 pm to Alahunter
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It wasn't to Fla though. Was it?
The 1 time Alabama had to play Florida and follow it up with a road trip to South Carolina, they lost.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:18 pm to lsu711
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play Florida and follow it up with a road trip to South Carolina, they lost.
Maybe if we had done like Lsu that yr, and scheduled McNeese St, we'd have won.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:23 pm to Alahunter
LSU's track record has been very similar to Alabama's.
Alabama sweeps through the east when they only face 1 of the East's "Big 3" - Georgia, Florida, South Carolina. 1 time they had 2 play 2 of the "Big 3" and they lost a game.
LSU has also swept through East opponents when they have only had 1 play 1 of the "Big 3" (2010 & 2011). In 2012, 2009 & 2007 LSU had to play 2 of the "Big 3" and lost a game. In 2008, LSU had to play all 3 of the "Big 3" (consecutive weeks, 2 on the road) and lost 2 games.
Alabama sweeps through the east when they only face 1 of the East's "Big 3" - Georgia, Florida, South Carolina. 1 time they had 2 play 2 of the "Big 3" and they lost a game.
LSU has also swept through East opponents when they have only had 1 play 1 of the "Big 3" (2010 & 2011). In 2012, 2009 & 2007 LSU had to play 2 of the "Big 3" and lost a game. In 2008, LSU had to play all 3 of the "Big 3" (consecutive weeks, 2 on the road) and lost 2 games.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:24 pm to Alahunter
It's not difficult to understand. The Big 4 want to play each other. Other schools are happy to play a weaker opponent every year. Why would Vandy and Ole Miss not want to play each other? Or Miss State and Kentucky?
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:29 pm to lsu711
I think most of the disdain is having gone 6-9 against Florida since the BCS began in 98.
Bama against Tennessee in that time frame is 8-7.
If Lsu weren't losing to their rival more, it would be a nonissue. When Bama had lost 7 straight to Tennessee (
), you didn't hear a single Bama fan wishing we didn't have to play them.
Bama against Tennessee in that time frame is 8-7.
If Lsu weren't losing to their rival more, it would be a nonissue. When Bama had lost 7 straight to Tennessee (
), you didn't hear a single Bama fan wishing we didn't have to play them.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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Alabama speaks, SEC office listens and does accordingly.
Really?
Nick Saban says he prefers a nine game sec schedule
NNick Saban says its time to go to 9 game sec schedule
Thanks for letting me know these and a multitude of other reports are inaccurate.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:40 pm to lsu711
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In 2010 they played Florida & South Carolina. Surprisingly, 2010 is also the 1 year they lost to an eastern division school since they stopped vacating games in 2007.
It is also worth noting that 2010 is also the year the last six of Alabama's eight SEC opponents had a bye week before facing the Tide.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:40 pm to Alahunter
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I think most of the disdain is having gone 6-9 against Florida since the BCS began in 98.
Bama against Tennessee in that time frame is 8-7.
I thought this point was obvious. LSU is 6-9 against Florida, but 6-2 vs Tennessee. Tennessee offers LSU an easier path to Atlanta. Unfortunately, Tennessee also offers Alabama an easier path to Atlanta. Alabama has successfully hid behind its rivalry claim in order to lock down Tennessee as a permanent opponent.
LSU will accept scheduling quirks that force it to play Florida and Georgia while Alabama has Kentucky and Tennessee (2013) or Florida and South Carolina while Alabama has Missouri and Tennessee (2012). But the current format sets this up to be the norm, not the exception.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:44 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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That said, it's ridiculous that LSU seems to play at least 2 of the top 3 SEC East teams every year, while Bama avoids all 3 of them.
You have a very short memory
Posted on 2/22/13 at 3:47 pm to lsu711
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Tennessee also offers Alabama an easier path to Atlanta.
1998 to present:
Bama vs Tenn 8-7
Bama vs Fla 6-2 (4-1 when not playing in ATL)
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:08 pm to tween the hedges
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It's not difficult to understand. The Big 4 want to play each other. Other schools are happy to play a weaker opponent every year. Why would Vandy and Ole Miss not want to play each other? Or Miss State and Kentucky?
This.
The "overwhelming majority" thing doesn't really mean anything...just that alone is already 8 teams that clearly don't want things to change.
It just sucks because we aren't really a conference in football. When will LSU play Missouri? 5 years from now? 6 years? What was the point of even adding the teams if they didn't have a plan.
It has to go to a 9 game schedule or they have to add two more teams...there's no way this current model can last for much longer.
ETA: I hate how these threads become LSU vs Bama pissing matches instead of discussing the issue
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:18 pm to ProjectP2294
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UTs heydey (in the modern era) coincided with a down LSU, a down USC, and a relatively down Georgia. They were able to pull from NOLA, Southern California, and Atlanta to fill their roster. They aren't getting the top players from any of those areas now, and likely not any time soon.
What exactly constitutes the modern era? Tennessee had been consistently good from the 1920s onward. This is their first real slump in quite some time.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:27 pm to Alahunter
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Bama vs Fla 5-3 (3-2 when not playing in ATL)
Fixed it for you. Selective memory on your part. I guess when you say you have 3000 mnc's but only have 8, it happens.
1998 UF 16, al 10. 2005 al win vacated.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:29 pm to lsu711
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Alabama has successfully hid behind its rivalry claim in order to lock down Tennessee as a permanent opponent.
It's not a rivalry "claim," but I should figure that an LSU fan doesn't know what a rival is.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:32 pm to RollTide1987
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What exactly constitutes the modern era? Tennessee had been consistently good from the 1920s onward. This is their first real slump in quite some time.
In this context, I'm saying the 5 or 6 years pre and post their last national championship is their modern era heydey. I guess I consider '92 the beginning of the modern era of SEC football.
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