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Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:34 am to Drewco
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And each team shall have a white running back.
And the basketball teams will have a white point guard and shooting forward.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:38 am to BamaGradinTn
There's definitely an issue of some sort. There has only been 54 black HCs since 1979 (first black HC)in a sport that has been majority black for 4-5 decades.
That said, some of the examples in the article aren't good ones. Terrell Buckley is not the Ole Miss DC and it's not because he's black.
That said, some of the examples in the article aren't good ones. Terrell Buckley is not the Ole Miss DC and it's not because he's black.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:48 am to MJackson
meritocracy.
There's also no female, trans, gay, lesbian, latin, asian, Indian, or Samoan coaches.
There's also no female, trans, gay, lesbian, latin, asian, Indian, or Samoan coaches.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:50 am to deputyfife
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There's also no female, trans, gay, lesbian, latin, asian, Indian, or Samoan coaches.
Even though there are significantly more Hispanic Americans in this country than black. And before anyone mentions the roster makeups: that doesn’t make you a good head coach. That’s been established.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:52 am to Quicksilver
It is a tough business.
You can argue that some coaches didn't get their P5 shot within the conference (Charlie strong, Turner Gill). But they didn't do great at their P5 opportunity.
Then you do have coaches with their first P5 shot within the SEC (Derek Mason, Sly Croom). But they didn't do great at their P5 opportunity.
Now you have Mel Tucker getting his first P5 job in the Big X. And so far so good. It took a 6 year, $33M contract to pull him in to a scandal ridden athletic department (and he has already beat that with his extension). That doesn't include the extra $3M to Tucker to buyout his Colorado St contract.
You can argue that some coaches didn't get their P5 shot within the conference (Charlie strong, Turner Gill). But they didn't do great at their P5 opportunity.
Then you do have coaches with their first P5 shot within the SEC (Derek Mason, Sly Croom). But they didn't do great at their P5 opportunity.
Now you have Mel Tucker getting his first P5 job in the Big X. And so far so good. It took a 6 year, $33M contract to pull him in to a scandal ridden athletic department (and he has already beat that with his extension). That doesn't include the extra $3M to Tucker to buyout his Colorado St contract.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:31 pm to MJackson
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:32 pm to MJackson
No white cornerbacks, either. And for the same damn reason!
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:43 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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James Franklin is black? That guy looks as white as me!
I know, but if a person has even 1/16 black heritage...
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:45 pm to PassingThrough
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A substantial percentage of current issues in this country is a direct result of the Jim Crow era that, by the way, long outlasted the official beginning of the Civil Rights era. It really is that simple.
It's been well over a half century. Your intellectual heirs are going to still be saying this a hundred years from now.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:59 pm to Gunga Din
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But the fact of the matter is that across P5 football approximately 75% of the starters on teams are Black players. And as long as that is the case there is going to be complaining about the lack of Black coaches.
That 75% number is way higher than the actual breakdown. That said, how many of those black players actually explore a career in coaching? Most head coaches weren't even good players in college. They were the guys who learned the game and went into coaching after they graduated. The good black players are trying to play professional football after college. This pool of black coaches is nowhere near as big as the pool of black players. I just roll my eyes every time I see "well black players represent X% of all players but only Y% of all coaches." It's intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:11 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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It’s like the Eric bienemy deal. Everyone cries about him not being a NFL HC but totally overlook that he has a criminal past that is very awful and the fact that his current HC is Andy Reid who has always been seen as an offensive guru that runs his own offense
There have also been rumors for awhile that he's terrible in interviews. Since he's still an OC, I assume there is some truth to this.
Also, this might sound bad but I really do not care. It's also not aimed at any one individual. I would imagine that more than one coaching candidate has been turned down because they spoke in ebonics during an interview. I know for damn sure I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview with dreadlocks (Ray Horton apparently did this when interviewing for the Browns job several years ago) and speaking ebonics. Shows lack of professionalism and that they don't really care to impress the interviewer.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:12 pm to MJackson
It's a problem for other conferences
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:15 pm to MJackson
Yep. The entire SEC and evreybody on this board is racists.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:16 pm to VADawg
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I know for damn sure I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview with dreadlocks (Ray Horton apparently did this when interviewing for the Browns job several years ago) and speaking ebonics. Shows lack of professionalism and that they don't really care to impress the interviewer.
Agree to disagree on that one.
Hair style has no impact on the ability to coach a game.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:24 pm to meansonny
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Hair style has no impact on the ability to coach a game.
I don't think that's what he was saying. What he's saying is how one presents himself can and generally does have an effect on whoever is interviewing you. First impressions impact all walks of life, not just coaching or employment in general. Right or wrong, people are judged by appearances all the time, and I'm not talking about skin color.
I had a buddy who was a lawyer and always complained about the lack of business he got or that people confused him with a non-lawyer all the time outside the courtroom. And if you saw the guy, it made sense. He always looked sloppy and unkempt, had dreads, wore converse all-stars with his suit. If you want to be taken seriously, most people are going to expect you present a certain way.
Not to sound corny, but Crash Davis had a great quote in Bull Durham "Your shower shoes have fungus on 'em. You'll never make it to the Bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the Show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and the press will think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the Show however, it means you're a slob."
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:33 pm to Gunga Din
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I'm not a big fan of Croom because he comes across as arrogant. But the fact of the matter is that across P5 football approximately 75% of the starters on teams are Black players. And as long as that is the case there is going to be complaining about the lack of Black coaches.
Are you saying we should appropriate more white players because they are clearly being unrepresented here? Majority of the population, yet they make up a small amount of playerbase.
So that means the only reason for this happening is because of racism against white people right? Anything above 13% black players is a clear sign of racism right?
Or maybe we can all grow up and realize that outcome based on ability isn't going to line up perfectly with racial demographics and it's really stupid that people look at things this way. In truth, you don't give a frick about racial equality.
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:36 pm to lsufball19
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I don't think that's what he was saying. What he's saying is how one presents himself can and generally does have an effect on whoever is interviewing you. First impressions impact all walks of life, not just coaching or employment in general. Right or wrong, people are judged by appearances all the time, and I'm not talking about skin color.
I had a buddy who was a lawyer and always complained about the lack of business he got or that people confused him with a non-lawyer all the time outside the courtroom. And if you saw the guy, it made sense. He always looked sloppy and unkempt, had dreads, wore converse all-stars with his suit. If you want to be taken seriously, most people are going to expect you present a certain way.
Not to sound corny, but Crash Davis had a great quote in Bull Durham "Your shower shoes have fungus on 'em. You'll never make it to the Bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the Show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and the press will think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the Show however, it means you're a slob."
Agree to disagree.
Half of the high power attorneys in Georgia have hippy pony tails.
Things matter to people who make them matter. If your focus is on a hair cut, your focus may not be on track record or things of merit.
If someone is in a position to hire, they can pick their own criteria. But "choice of style" is not on my list of requirements.
Over half of the millionaires in Georgia drive pickup trucks. "Style" is a poor excuse for discriminating candidates.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:40 pm to meansonny
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Agree to disagree on that one.
Hair style has no impact on the ability to coach a game.
It's like I tell my kids, one of the most important things in life is how you present yourself.
If you go out looking like a thug, you will get treated like a thug.
If you go out looking like a respectable adult, you will also get treated as such.
This is just a simple fact of life, and there is nothing that can change it. If someone isn't smart enough to understand that, then they disqualify themselves.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:40 pm to meansonny
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Half of the high power attorneys in Georgia have hippy pony tails.
I bet they didn't when they started practicing.
Right or wrong, human nature is very real. You can think it's wrong to judge people based on appearances, but it happens in every walk of life and is ingrained in human nature for the vast majority of people. And if you know all that and chose to go against the grain, you can't act outraged that someone didn't take you seriously based on your appearance.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 1:45 pm
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