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re: Nick Fitzgerald or Shea Patterson? Who would you want as your QB
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:25 pm to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:25 pm to 1BamaRTR
I'd take the one who didn't get embarrassed by the University of South Alabama, Miami (Ohio), and pretty much every other team whose defense wasn't ranked in the bottom 10 of college football.
It also doesn't help that Fitzgerald looks and throws like a potato. Both quarterbacks will be transferring out after both schools receive the death penalty.
It also doesn't help that Fitzgerald looks and throws like a potato. Both quarterbacks will be transferring out after both schools receive the death penalty.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:27 pm
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:26 pm to texag7
Swing and a Miss again
Just because you do not agree with what someone else is saying does not give you the right to identify them as an alter
Pretty much sooner or later everyone will see you for what you are
Just because you do not agree with what someone else is saying does not give you the right to identify them as an alter
Pretty much sooner or later everyone will see you for what you are
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:29 pm to Blaeke
Fitz didn't play much of the USA game. the kicker, wrong QB, and defense lost that game. bookmark it Fitz wins SEC POY this season.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:35 pm to yatesdog38
I doubt MSU wins enough games for him to win the POY honors. Almost every player that has won it won 10+ games.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:35 pm to 1BamaRTR
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But it's not just him. A large number of posters on here act like Hurts is one of the worst QBs they've seen. They think there's little to no chance a player can improve from his freshman year.
As an LSU alum, I have seen how bad a sophomore season can be at the QB position...not to mention 3rd and 4th years. Historically, Saban lead teams have not greatly enhanced a QB's skill set over time. They are usually there to manage and not much more.
Hurts has at best a marginal arm and I don't see that changing significantly this or any other year. I think d-coordinators will adjust and make things extremely difficult on Hurts this season. If I had to make a choice, Hurts would not make the top 4 in the SEC if I needed a player to win a game on his individual talent alone.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:43 pm to Dallasgrowl
It doesn't mean it's impossible. McElroy and McCarron got better each year as a starter.
There's more to a QB than just arm strength. There's also knowing the playbook better and doing a better job of reading defenses. One of Hurts biggest issues last year was not looking at the whole field but instead of starting down one receiver. That's something that can be fixed. I'm not saying Hurts is going to go from a below average passer to a 1st round pick caliber guy but instead at least improve to become a decent one.
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Hurts has at best a marginal arm
There's more to a QB than just arm strength. There's also knowing the playbook better and doing a better job of reading defenses. One of Hurts biggest issues last year was not looking at the whole field but instead of starting down one receiver. That's something that can be fixed. I'm not saying Hurts is going to go from a below average passer to a 1st round pick caliber guy but instead at least improve to become a decent one.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:48 pm to 1BamaRTR
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It doesn't mean it's impossible.
All of what you said is true and I agree that Hurts could and should improve with respect to slowing down the game and seeing the field. I just think there are several others in the conference that I would rather have under center that possess more of a balanced skill set at that position and damn sure more upside.
Edit to add this: All of the QBs I am referring to are not on the current LSU roster. We may have a incoming freshman that can ball, but what we have now at the top spot hasn't shown he is good enough to compete against top notch defenses.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:49 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Fitz didn't play much of the USA game. the kicker, wrong QB, and defense lost that game. bookmark it Fitz wins SEC POY this season
He didn't play much because he was garbage everytime he walked on the field. His best performance was against an Ole Miss defense that even Vanderbilt throttled the week before.
If it wasn't for the Egg Bowl, nobody would even know the kid existed in college football.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:50 pm to Blaeke
He did look like an All American against A&M
But most QB's do
But most QB's do
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:13 pm to Montgomery Hill
Fitz improved throughout the year. Yes he was garbage against USA but it was his first start, first game of the year. His passing was underrated because our WR's outside Ross were just not very good. This years group should have stickier fingers.
Believe it or not, the game that turned Fitzgerald's into something good was the beat down at Bama (51-3). We got killed. Fitz, however never gave up or in despite the beating he took. He earned his teammates respect after that. That even we were getting blown out, he never quit. So sometimes something good comes out of something bad.
Previous to that, he had put up stats and won a few games i.e. USCe, A&M but had not really won the team over until that game.
I think Patterson has a lot of upside and will play well for OM this year but I am glad we have Fitz on our squad.
Believe it or not, the game that turned Fitzgerald's into something good was the beat down at Bama (51-3). We got killed. Fitz, however never gave up or in despite the beating he took. He earned his teammates respect after that. That even we were getting blown out, he never quit. So sometimes something good comes out of something bad.
Previous to that, he had put up stats and won a few games i.e. USCe, A&M but had not really won the team over until that game.
I think Patterson has a lot of upside and will play well for OM this year but I am glad we have Fitz on our squad.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:43 pm to 1BamaRTR
All I know is the crowd saying he'll have a sophomore slump are the same guys who said Bama would lose 3 or 4 because they were starting a freshman QB. They were wrong last year so I wouldn't put too much stock or worry into what fans of other teams say.
Personally, I don't care if he's the best or in the top 5 if he leads Bama any better than last year.
Aside from Hurts, i'd take Austin Allen at Arkansas. Tough and smart.
Personally, I don't care if he's the best or in the top 5 if he leads Bama any better than last year.
Aside from Hurts, i'd take Austin Allen at Arkansas. Tough and smart.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:51 pm to Montgomery Hill
Dude, you are all over the fricking place. Chill out, the rant isn't shutting down anytime soon.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:11 pm to yatesdog38
I don't want any QB that moves from town to town and school to school and you have to hire his family to play for you....
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:15 pm to Montgomery Hill
Fitz and it's not even close. I think he's still scoring TDs against Ole Miss.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:18 pm to Tidemeister
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LOL, no mention of the 2016 SEC Offensive Player of the Year. Who happens to be a year older and wiser and stronger and faster and improved. Well, you might be living in an alternate universe.
Put either one of those guys at Bama and Hurts is riding the pine or transferring out. Put Hurts on either of those teams and he's still riding the pine.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:01 pm to Montgomery Hill
Probably would be the same. Hurts is a great offensive player. He isnt a great QB
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:08 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:He was a very bad passer that arguably cost his team a National Championship in year one. His passing limitations were covered up well by Lane Kiffin's scheme and play-calling. We all remember how terrible he was down the stretch, though. He also played 15 games, so he was able to accumulate stats more than others that played 13-14.
A large number of posters on here act like Hurts is one of the worst QBs they've seen
That being said, he's still a dual threat quarterback and doesn't have to rely on his arm. He can run, and does it well. I would hope he makes a big jump as a passer in year 2 or he will be passed by Tua Tango. It's yet to be seen, IMO, being that I don't go by spring games, but I'll be interested to see how the offense looks in general during 2017.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:22 pm to Blaeke
quote:At that time, Mullen didn't know who is qb was. The majority of team wanted Williams as the full time starter. Mullen finally decided to stick with Fits and seemed like it paid off.
He didn't play much because he was garbage everytime he walked on the field. His best performance was against an Ole Miss defense that even Vanderbilt throttled the week before.
If it wasn't for the Egg Bowl, nobody would even know the kid existed in college football.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:58 pm to Tidemeister
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And believe me, you don't even want me to add the running stats to the three QBs in this list, I'm being kind.
You're right. We'd hate to see that Fitz outran Hurts by roughly 400 yards in 2 less games.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 9:00 pm to Tidemeister
quote:Yea, you really don't. It wouldn't fit your argument.
And believe me, you don't even want me to add the running stats to the three QBs in this list, I'm being kind
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