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re: NFL Draft Predictions - SEC Players only.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:41 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:41 pm to adammwilson
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and you do? You've been wrong every single time.
Point me out where I have been factually wrong. Go ahead I'll wait for this shite.
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Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:42 pm to GamecockAlum
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Off the top of your head, can you name all of the drafts that have had more than 3 quarterbacks taken in the first round.
Comparing an individual draft to another is asinine, so I'm not gonna bother...
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Just because the talking heads on ESPN like a guy or say they heard that one of their sources loves a prospect does not mean that the league or even other scouts/front office people do. This is why year and year out Kiper and to a lesser degree McShay get embarrassed when a guy they have as a lock for a certain slot does not make it and then they try to cover their tracks afterwards.
Again, what if I flip that same argument on you? It's a double edged sword...
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Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:43 pm to GamecockAlum
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can you name all of the drafts that have had more than 3 quarterbacks taken in the first round.
99 draft, 03 draft, 04 draft,
btw- it's all a matter of opinion on "who is a franchise QB".
like the other poster said it's a double edged sword.
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Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:44 pm to GamecockAlum
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where I have been factually wrong.
you said Newton wouldn't be a 1st rounder.... seems pretty factually wrong even if it hasn't happened yet.
and about Saunders picking a bad agent.
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Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:51 pm to adammwilson
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it speculates but who knows if that's accurate. Like I said i think it was a combo of everything both of us have said
Dude you don't know what you are talking about. He was suspended because he lied to Spurrier about moving out of the Whitney Hotel. This is a fact. Every Gamecock fan who follows our football program knows this. The Columbia media knows this as does most of the state media. For some reason YOU think YOU know more about the situation than all of those sources and people.
Why are you so damn stupid kid?
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I did.
Apparently not because you don't know shite about what happen.
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yes it is. So is taking benefits from them like a free trip to Miami.
You really don't know the rules do you? Kids can and do talk to agents and their people all the time. It's not always about signing with them or giving them some benfit you retard. You think the NCAA cares if Drew Rosenhaus asks AJ Green how his momma is doing or if he got some poon last night? They could give a frick. quote:
his agent screwed up paper work and almost cost him a chance to be eligible for the draft
And where is his agent implicated in any of that? Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from YOUR OWN link:
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South Carolina TE Weslye Saunders, who had been declared ineligible for the NFL draft after reportedly failing to file the necessary paperwork to petition the NFL for inclusion in the draft, now will be eligible for the league's annual selection meeting, the NFL announced Monday. The paperwork was necessary since Saunders failed to play for South Carolina as a senior. Saunders was suspended indefinitely from the program on Aug. 23 for violating team rules. He was later kicked off the team after it was revealed that he received improper benefits from an agent
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Looks like I've been keeping tabs on him better than you have.
Apparently not because you are ignorant to the reality of what actually occurred.
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just face it. You can name call all you want but it won't alter the truth.
You have yet to provide any factual information. You called him an immature punk and I called you out on that. You deflected by falsely saying he was suspended by the NCAA. I told you what actually happened in that Spurrier and Hyman made the decision to remove him from our football team. Then you just went all epic dumbshit and kept saying you didn't believe it and stuck by your tomfoolery even though it was blatantly false and completely ignorant.
Face it Adamm, you don't know shite about the situation. I don't know why you are trying to pretend like you know everything about every player even considered for the draft when you obviously don't. I don't know shite about what's going on in UGA's program so I don't act like I do. You on the otherhand can not seem to grasp the fact that you really don't know shite outside of your own damn program and it wouldn't surprise me if half the shite you think you know is actually merely a rumor or completely false altogether.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:57 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Comparing an individual draft to another is asinine, so I'm not gonna bother...
Does not change the fact that even when a sizable number of NFL teams need a new quarterback they traditionally don't reach for them in the first round. For some reason the talking heads seem to think that if you need a starting quarterback either now or down the line, you MUST take one in the first round. Every year a segment of sports fans buy into it hook line and sinker and every single year, a quarterback who was suppose to be drafted no later than spot X falls past that spot without fail.
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Again, what if I flip that same argument on you? It's a double edged sword...
I don't do Mock Drafts because I have no idea what GMs/Scouts know about the prospects that we in the general public are oblivious to. They spend their entire year breaking down film on players an evaluating their skill sets and projecting how they will do in their systems.
Guys like Kiper and McShay don't do that. Sure they get to watch more film than the Average Joe, but they put nowhere as much time and effort into scouting and breaking down players as the scouts do.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:00 pm to adammwilson
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you said Newton wouldn't be a 1st rounder.... seems pretty factually wrong even if it hasn't happened yet.
1. I said if Luck came out, that he, Gabbert, and Mallet would be the only first rounders. Luck stayed in school so things have changed. Apparently you can't grasp that.
2. You have no factually evidence that I am wrong because like you even admitted, the NFL Draft has not occurred.
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and about Saunders picking a bad agent.
So it's a fact that his agent is bad? Is it really a fact or just your opinion even though you have no proof to back that assertion?
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:01 pm to GamecockAlum
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He was suspended because he lied to Spurrier about moving out of the Whitney Hotel. This is a fact.
I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is I do think the agent investigation played into the decision as well. How small a part IDK.
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Why are you so damn stupid kid?
I ask you the same question since you can't read and have repeatedly shown an inability to do so.
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You really don't know the rules do you? Kids can and do talk to agents and their people all the time. It's not always about signing with them or giving them some benfit you retard. You think the NCAA cares if Drew Rosenhaus asks AJ Green how his momma is doing or if he got some poon last night? They could give a frick.
I'm pretty sure they do.
Dez Bryant got in trouble last year for lying about hanging out with Deion Sanders, AJ Green and many others were investigated for going to a party hosted by an agent, and I'm sure there are more examples. Fact is you're way wrong here. Agents and college kids aren't supposed to talk that's a fact. Yeah they can have a casual convo but it is very risky because if an athlete is caught with an agent an investigation will start and the athlete will likely be suspended.
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where is his agent implicated in any of that?
Holy shite you're dumb. His agent screwed up his paperwork and almost cost him a shot at getting drafted.
you can say whatever you want but it's not going to change the fact that the investigation played a part in his suspension no matter how small.
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Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:03 pm to GamecockAlum
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Does not change the fact that even when a sizable number of NFL teams need a new quarterback they traditionally don't reach for them in the first round.
Who's saying they would be reaching? You are speculating.
I'm sure you could go through every draft and you'll find one with the highest OTs, RBs, WRs, DTs, etc.. in the first round ever. There is no regularity in the draft, each is it's own individual anomaly...
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I don't do Mock Drafts because I have no idea what GMs/Scouts know about the prospects that we in the general public are oblivious to. They spend their entire year breaking down film on players an evaluating their skill sets and projecting how they will do in their systems.
Guys like Kiper and McShay don't do that. Sure they get to watch more film than the Average Joe, but they put nowhere as much time and effort into scouting and breaking down players as the scouts do.
Yet you have no problem bashing others about how wrong they are without having zero credibility to back that up.
You can't just question Kiper and McShay's accuracy then self promote your own word as the say all end all when it comes to the draft.
What you say holds no more merit, if not less, than the talking heads on ESPN.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:17 pm to adammwilson
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I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is I do think the agent investigation played into the decision as well. How small a part IDK.
Then maybe you shouldn't have maybe every attempt you possibly could to pass it off that he didn't play solely for this reason while also foolishly trying to pass it off as a sign that he is in your words "an immature punk".
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I ask you the same question since you can't read and have repeatedly shown an inability to do so.
I can't read? Kid I've abused you in this thread. You don't know shite about our program and try to act like you do. You keep making a fool of yourself.
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I'm pretty sure they do.
As long as nothing illegal occurs, the NCAA could give a shite that players and agents speak to each other. Do you really think that the NCAA cares of an agent and player talk about the weather for 5 minutes? Yes or No Adamm. Don't back out. Answer the question.
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Dez Bryant got in trouble last year for lying about hanging out with Deion Sanders
He was punished for lying. You don't lie to a governing body. That was what he was suspended for.
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AJ Green and many others were investigated for going to a party hosted by an agent
AJ Green got in trouble because he sold his jersey to an agent you dumbass. He had nothing to do with the infamous South Beach party.
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Agents and college kids aren't supposed to talk that's a fact.
Prove it. With factual evidence. Hell just look up the NCAA rules. Do you really think that if a player just happens to be related to an agent the NCAA is going to forbid them from saying hell to each other at Thanksgiving dinner? Come on now.
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Yeah they can have a casual convo
Is this not what I already said?
In the sentence before this you said that it is a fact that agents are NOT allowed to talk to players and then you follow it up with this? Damn son you type out of both sides of your mouth. quote:
Holy shite you're dumb. His agent screwed up his paperwork and almost cost him a shot at getting drafted.
And where did your link say that? I quoted the article you linked up and it said nothing about his agent. Sounds like typical Adamm talking out of his arse.
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you can say whatever you want but it's not going to change the fact that the investigation played a part in his suspension no matter how small.
Do you have any proof? Yes or no? Do you have any factual evidence that the investigation contributed to his suspension?
BTW, he was suspended, then a letter of inquiry came in, and then he was kicked off the team for good. Those are the facts brah. You can ignore it all you want but the NCAA never suspended Saunders.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:21 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Who's saying they would be reaching? You are speculating.
I can turn that back around at you...
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m sure you could go through every draft and you'll find one with the highest OTs, RBs, WRs, DTs, etc.. in the first round ever. There is no regularity in the draft, each is it's own individual anomaly...
This is true, but do you honestly see any real stud quarterbacks in this draft? I mean even the most polished/proven guy (Gabbert) has some pretty questions about his capabilities.
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You can't just question Kiper and McShay's accuracy then self promote your own word as the say all end all when it comes to the draft.
I don't. There is a reason why I don't do mock drafts as I already said. I don't pretend to know everything about these prospects. They more or less do. I'm not by any means saying that someone should take my word over theirs, just saying that it would be foolish to invest your opinion directly in line with theirs when year and year out they make several big mistakes despite being hailed as "experts".
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:24 pm to GamecockAlum
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Then maybe you shouldn't have maybe every attempt you possibly could to pass it off that he didn't play solely for this reason
I didn't. That was just the connotation you wanted to put on it. I still think he is a punk.
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Do you really think that the NCAA cares of an agent and player talk about the weather for 5 minutes?
about the weather No.
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AJ Green got in trouble because he sold his jersey to an agent you dumbass. He had nothing to do with the infamous South Beach party.
but he was investigated for the South Beach party.
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Is this not what I already said? In the sentence before this you said that it is a fact that agents are NOT allowed to talk to players and then you follow it up with this? Damn son you type out of both sides of your mouth.
naaa what I meant was is that they shouldn't. If I was a player I wouldn't want to risk it.
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where did your link say that?
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Do you have any proof? Yes or no? Do you have any factual evidence that the investigation contributed to his suspension?
never said I did. I was merely speculating.
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BTW, he was suspended, then a letter of inquiry came in, and then he was kicked off the team for good. Those are the facts brah. You can ignore it all you want but the NCAA never suspended Saunders.
which fits my theory perfectly that Spurrier was only going to suspend him before he heard about the NCAA potential violation.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:35 pm to adammwilson
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I didn't. That was just the connotation you wanted to put on it.
I still think he is a punk.
Well you are entitled to your opinion no matter how misguided and ill informed it is.
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about the weather No.
So you admit that I was right then? I said players and agents are allowed to talk as long as it is not about anything illegal.
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but he was investigated for the South Beach party.
And nothing ever came out of it because he wasn't there. Other players did go and were punished for it, but AJ's issues with the NCAA had nothing to do with that party. The NCAA was on a witchhunt and stopped by based on their own "hunch".
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naaa what I meant was is that they shouldn't. If I was a player I wouldn't want to risk it.
Backtrack but mmmkay.
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You think you're slick don't you? That's not the link you posted earlier. Don't try to fool me Adamm.
Also, if you are going to post a link don't do it to some random blog. Use a website worth a shite.
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never said I did. I was merely speculating.
So you are finally admitting that you don't know what was actually going on and are admitting that you statements in the matter were all speculation on your behalf rather than based in fact? About damn time.
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which fits my theory perfectly that Spurrier was only going to suspend him before he heard about the NCAA potential violation
The NCAA inquiry was into the South Beach Party case. Saunders did no wrong in that matter. The Hotel situation was what got him the boot.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:37 pm to GamecockAlum
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That's not the link you posted earlier. Don't try to fool me Adamm.
Also, if you are going to post a link don't do it to some random blog. Use a website worth a shite.
forgot what link I posted earlier.
Don't like the website? Ok I'll find another one.
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the rest Im really getting tired of talking about. You have your opinion I have mine.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:43 pm to adammwilson
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You have your opinion I have mine.
Except my "opinion" is grounded in fact.
I didn't say anything that was factually incorrect and I never gave my opinion. The only opinion in our discussion was yours of Saunders being a "an immature punk". I challenged you to that assertion and it led to a tangent. I never gave my opinion on Saunders as a person because I don't know the guy.
Posted on 2/26/11 at 10:53 am to GamecockAlum
Ziemba is having an awful combine so far.
This OL Bartholewmew kid (center) from Syracuse has done well. FYI.
This OL Bartholewmew kid (center) from Syracuse has done well. FYI.
Posted on 2/26/11 at 11:00 am to UASports23
I won't be surprised if Ryan Mallett is selected in the second round by the Cincinnati Bengals.
Posted on 2/26/11 at 11:06 am to Bench McElroy
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I won't be surprised if Ryan Mallett is selected in the second round by the Cincinnati Bengals.
It'd be a great pick for them IMO. Carson Palmer sucks.
I'm amazed how year in and year out UT ALWAYS has a top prospect in the draft. They have sucked lately but they have Luke Stocker (who could be the top TE, Mayock has him @ 3) coming out. Eric Berry last year. They haven't even been that great lately.
Posted on 2/26/11 at 12:55 pm to UASports23
I just watched Stocker and DJ Williams run their forties. Not to bad by either of them.
Stocker is going to be a steal in the draft.
Stocker is going to be a steal in the draft.
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