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re: NCAA/Emmert wants "efficient and expedited" investigation

Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:04 am to
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31630 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:04 am to
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since when is trying to get all the facts straight building a case against somebody?


How can you get the facts straight if you don't have a case?

Chicken - Egg - Which came first?
Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:05 am to
WHen did Cecil admit to shopping his son? Who reported this...Kenny Rogers?

Anyone credible report this?
Posted by MachineTiger
Florida
Member since Oct 2010
71 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:05 am to
Theres enough proof to make a decision, and add additional punishment after the rest comes out. He admitted to shopping Cam!!!!!! That alone is enough in its own. Declare him ineligible, and go from there. Heisman will go to an eligible player, and an eligible team will represent the SEC West. Sounds fair to me....
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10308 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:06 am to
What is the NCAA supposed to do, they don't have all the facts. Noone knows if Auburn payed for Cam. The season is almost over, so if they overreact and declare him inelligible then what happens, if it comes out that he was cleared. Then they look even worse.
Posted by beAUjangles
Auburn
Member since Nov 2010
518 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:06 am to
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Good job, there, buddy.


Good job pal, since when is gathering facts synonymous with case? Getting all the facts can be seen from both ways. The facts defending cam, or against cam. You're clearly too biased to see it both ways though.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39438 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:07 am to
easy. You have rampant allegations and you have to try and figure out what actually happened before you can make a case to indict someone. You don't make a case against somebody off of what rumors have been circulating around. This is why there hasn't been an official LOI sent to anybody yet, they are trying to get facts straight, not make a case.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54834 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:07 am to
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WHen did Cecil admit to shopping his son?
I think even PM said that Cecil admitted to the NCAA to having $ talks with MSU boosters. I don't know if it has been officially verified, but I find it hard to believe Cecil didn't seek money from MSU. However, despite what everyone on here believes, Cecil's solitation, without Cam's knowledge or approval, may not be enough to declare Cam ineligible. It is definitely not as open and shut as people want to believe.
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 10:10 am
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22261 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:07 am to
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So getting the facts right interprets to meaning building a case...LOL at Teague you are a gullible one indeed.



I'd like to hear your definition of "building a case."
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39438 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:11 am to
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I'd like to hear your definition of "building a case."


building a case is more of using what is known to figure out a way to prove the party guilty. At no point has the NCAA done anything close to that. They are still trying to figure out the facts.
Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:11 am to
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I think even PM said that Cecil admitted to the NCAA to having $ talks with MSU boosters. I don't know if it has been officially verified,


So it is still he said, he said. The posters here are asctuing like he got infront of a camera and said he was shopping around.

Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19490 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:11 am to
quote:

are you really trying to discount something because it was posted via twitter?


Do you honestly believe Emmert would allow that to go out on his account if it wasn't factual? If so you could be the dumbest AU fan on here.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37653 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:12 am to
quote:

More like gloating


You're going to gloat over Auburn's demise?
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:13 am to
quote:

since when is trying to get all the facts straight building a case against somebody?


Dear Barners,

The NCAA is gathering facts to exonerate the Newtons and then they're going to pound State so hard they're going to need a metric ton of KY.

Signed,
Pat Dye

P.S. Bama will need two metric tons of KY.
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 10:16 am
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22261 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:13 am to
Ok, they aren't "investigating" cam, they're just looking into all the facts to find out if he cheated. Does that make you feel better?
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:14 am to
quote:

You're going to gloat over Auburn's demise?


In a word, yes.


Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:14 am to
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Ok, they aren't "investigating" cam, they're just looking into all the facts to find out if he cheated. Does that make you feel better?


Finally some truth from you.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:14 am to
quote:

Do you honestly believe Emmert would allow that to go out on his account


Actually, Emmert didn't post anything. The Tweets are from a guy watching Emmert be interviewed as part of a taping for a show that will air at Noon ET on Monday on the Big Ten Network.

I've updated the OP to reflect this.

So on Monday at Noon ET, you can verify if the dude who tweeted this is lying or not.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37653 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:15 am to
quote:

since when is trying to get all the facts straight building a case against somebody?


If the NCAA finds facts that Cam got paid, wouldn't that be building a case against him?
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19490 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:15 am to
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WHen did Cecil admit to shopping his son? Who reported this...Kenny Rogers?


So, if Rogers and his lawyer said that txt's exist to the FBI, you think this is still in doubt?

Proven, I agree hasnt happened, but I know you aren't one of the delusional gang. You just hate the rumor stuff.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
107882 posts
Posted on 11/19/10 at 10:15 am to
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I'd like to hear your definition of "building a case."


First one must search for facts. Once enough facts are found than one can start to build a case. Right now they are searching and peeling away at stories to see what facts exist and where those facts point to.
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