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re: Most infamous games in SEC since 1992

Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:37 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:37 am to
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Who is making things up again. This is downright false in this instance.


The refs ruled it was not PI because, as the ref says, they thought it was tipped prior to the contact. They were simply mistaken. It wasnt because they deemed the ball uncatchable.

This is a basic rule of football. Tipped balls cannot result in PI if they are tipped prior to contact. You cant pick up a flag just because a ball was tipped after the interference.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:39 am to
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Again, here is 9J since I think you missed it last time.


Haven't we already agreed one of the qualifiers is met? Now where is the other.

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This says nothing about another player proceeding to touch the pass after PI occurs.


Because it's just one portion of the rule. There are two that must be met. Do you agree?
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:40 am to
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Wow first tornado insults then continued insults, utter class from you. All because you can't read and retain.

The tornado story was before I realized you were actually retarded. My apologies.
Posted by FourThreeForty
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:40 am to
That reminds me of the Georgia game where they thought the pass was tipped but it never touched the dudes hands. I forgot what that resulted in. Was it a pass interference call that wasn't?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:41 am to
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You are incorrectly believing that a tip that renders a ball uncatchable as having no merit for the qualifiers for pi


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There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.



If the ball is touched before contact with a receiver occurs, it cannot be Pi. A tip that occurs after contact is irrelevant.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:43 am to
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Quick question: Did Chad Ramsey chop-block Glenn Dorsey?




There's a greater than 90% chance that this guy is the type to get outraged at any mention of Nick Fairley being a dirty player.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:44 am to
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The refs ruled it was not PI because, as the ref says, they thought it was tipped prior to the contact. They were simply mistaken. It wasnt because they deemed the ball uncatchable.


Again making stuff up. They deemed it uncatchable. That was their erasing they stated then.

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This is a basic rule of football. Tipped balls cannot result in PI if they are tipped prior to contact. You cant pick up a flag just because a ball was tipped after the interference.


Basic rule of pi, ball must be catchable. No pi. You can't not include the tip.
Posted by mjw60532
Athens, Ga
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:46 am to
So if the UGA defender would have tackled Ricardo Louis this year before Harvey-Clemons tried to catch the ball (like an idiot) do you believe it would have been pass interference?
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:47 am to
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Because it's just one portion of the rule. There are two that must be met. Do you agree?


Absolutely, the pass must be catchable at the moment when PI occurs. As shown in a link on page 15 (I believe) which had the TV coverage of the game and 3 or 4 angles to watch the play from, the pass would likely have been somewhat short and slightly behind Doucet. However, if you'll notice, he does not leave his feet until contact from the Auburn player takes him off his feet. I don't know if he would have made the adjustment and possibly one-handed sliding catch required by the original trajectory. However, I do know that as the rules clearly state, being "catchable" is given the benefit of the doubt (basically, if there is ANY chance of being caught, it is deemed catchable). Since the PI occurred prior to the ball being tipped (which would nullify any PI anyways), the ball being tipped is NOT factored into whether the pass is "catchable". We can only go on whether the defender denied the receiver a very generous chance at making some play on the ball.

If you really cannot understand how you're getting the cart before the horse in the case of saying the fact the pass was tipped after PI occurred, I cannot help you. You are simply not understanding what the rule says. You are injecting your own possibilities into the rule. Possibly, you even think that's how the rule SHOULD be worded, but it's simply not. No part of the rule says to take into consideration actions occurring post PI. Why? Because if Doucet is not interfered with, he might have been able to make a lunging dive to get to the pass before the second Auburn defender.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:48 am to
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There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.


Are you just pulling random stuff now. This has nothing to do with the topic.

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If the ball is touched before contact with a receiver occurs, it cannot be Pi. A tip that occurs after contact is irrelevant.


If the ball is uncatchable there is no pi. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp. It's the very definition of the rule.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:50 am to
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So if the UGA defender would have tackled Ricardo Louis this year before Harvey-Clemons tried to catch the ball (like an idiot) do you believe it would have been pass interference?


If he would not have had an opportunity to catch the ball
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:51 am to
Good lord are we really still arguing this horseshite? Be pissed LSU played the most conservative game in history, not about one play
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:52 am to
Well in reviewing that game and thinking back on some other infamous moments....I hope it rains like a muthafrucka October 4th.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:52 am to
3.8 inches in two hours
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:53 am to
with 50 mph winds.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17035 posts
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:53 am to
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Good lord are we really still arguing this horseshite? Be pissed LSU played the most conservative game in history, not about one play




Fair enough, but the discussion is about the play and whether or not the right call was made. Do you have an opinion on that or are you staying neutral for some reason?

Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:54 am to
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So if the UGA defender would have tackled Ricardo Louis this year before Harvey-Clemons tried to catch the ball (like an idiot) do you believe it would have been pass interference?


That's actually a really good point. It was certainly uncatchable along the original trajectory. There is a flaw in it, but I'm not sure he's going to realize what it is.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:57 am to
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They deemed it uncatchable.


No, they didnt. The ref even states it was tipped, therefore no PI. A catchable ball is not dictated by a tip or any other defensive action.

The refs stated then, as the SEC officiating office did after the game, that the ball was tipped therefore invalidating PI. They were simply wrong as the video shows, the contact occurred before the tip.

You cannot provide any rule stating a tip renders a ball uncatchable because it doesnt exist.
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:58 am to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:59 am to
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Since the PI occurred prior to the ball being tipped


Where in the rule does it state timing of the catchable ball.
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the ball being tipped is NOT factored into whether the pass is "catchable"


Yes it does in this occurence. Not everyone, but this one and ones like it where the tip makes the ball uncatchable.
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You are simply not understanding what the rule says. You are injecting your own possibilities into the rule.


I haven't injected any possibilities, in fact y'all have. But I'd be interested to hear what I've injected.

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Possibly, you even think that's how the rule SHOULD be worded
it is the way it is worded.

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he might have been able to make a lunging dive to get to the pass before the second Auburn defender.


He absolutely would not have been able to catch the ball. Again tip, locations, and trajectories make this so. Not injections of possibilities.
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