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More Talk Of ACC Teams Leaving...NC To SEC?

Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:21 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:21 am
Seems like NC is eager to bolt.


SEC Expansion...NC?

SEC Football: Could ACC realignment bombshell see Clemson, FSU, UNC, or others move on to SEC?
by Kevin Miller2 days ago

College football is no stranger to conference realignment. The smaller conferences have always been in constant motion, but every decade or so, a few major moves rock the college football landscape. Some examples of this are Arkansas and South Carolina’s move to the SEC, Miami and Virginia Tech entering the ACC, or the complete disbanding of the historic Southwest Conference.

Or, at least, that’s how things used to be.

In more recent years, conference realignment has been a major story in every offseason, whether due to speculation and rumors or actual finalized movement agreements. The most recent domino to fall is the almost complete dismantling of the Pac-12 and the movement of many of those schools to other conferences.

While realignment affects all sports, football is the disproportionally largest factor behind the moves.

A bombshell dropped on Friday that the ACC voted in favor of adding Pac-12 defects Cal and Stanford and former American Athletic Conference team SMU. Perhaps the no longer accurately named Atlantic Coast Conference could change its name to the All Coast Conference?

The addition of the three new teams is not a welcome revelation to some of the ACC’s top schools. Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina, in particular, have been vocal opponents to further expansion in the league. Those three programs are arguably the biggest brands in the conference and were rumored to be looking for a way out of the ACC earlier this offseason.

Could the SEC be a logical landing spot for any or all of those three programs?

The Southeastern Conference is already adding Texas and Oklahoma in 2024, indicating that expanding the league’s footprint and historical prestige are likely the two biggest draws for the SEC in adding more programs.

Clemson does not provide an increased footprint as that television market overlaps heavily with current SEC teams South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. The Tigers do bring a pretty well-balanced athletic department that has been a top-10 football program for the last decade.

Florida State also does not provide a new footprint for the SEC as Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, and Georgia all overlap with the Seminoles’ television market. The Tallahassee-based FSU athletic department is a good one with a historical football tradition.

North Carolina is a new market for the SEC, and the Tar Heels basketball programs are usually among the best in the country. The men’s basketball team in Chapel Hill is a top-3 most popular program along with Kentucky and Duke.

All three of these disgruntled programs make sense for the SEC from a geographic location, and all three of the athletic departments have something to offer the league. Because of the nature of conference expansion, a fourth team likely would be needed for a move to make sense for the SEC.

Could Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Miami, or Duke elect to join their current ACC rivals in a conference move?

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey has downplayed the conference’s desire to continue expanding, but if the Big 10 (the SEC’s only rival for the title of “Best Conference in College Football”) decides they are willing to continue expanding, the SEC might be forced to act.

If it comes to that point, college football fans should expect the SEC to pursue Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina (and likely a 4th school).

The ACC’s move was made official Friday morning, and the rest of the country has already begun contemplating their next moves.

Published on 09/01/2023 at 11:51 AM EDT
Last updated on 09/01/2023 at 11:51 AM EDT
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 10:22 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
50482 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:24 am to
I would laugh if Sankey poached unc and duke and leaving fsu and Clemson at the altar
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:25 am to
North Carolina and Florida State should be the SEC’s top two targets. Followed by Virgina.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
34936 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:27 am to
I don't want to see more expansion. Hate the Texas and Oklahoma addition. Hell, we don't play Alabama, LSU or Auburn next year because of it. But seeing what the Big10 is doing it's probably inevitable. Of those you list, I think the FSU shipped sailed long ago when they were too scared to accept and invitation. They should not be considered.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5954 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:40 am to
Charter just dumped Disney, ESPN, ABC from their cable service, plus Disney is getting hurt by the writers strike. Wouldn't be surprised to see ESPN secretly want to kill the ACC contract and focus its money into a bigger SEC conference.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
3255 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:00 am to
The Cal/Stanford/SMU addition was not an attempt at strengthening the conference with UNC/FSU/Clemson. It was an acknowledgment by the rest of the schools that they will eventually lose them anyways and Cal/Stanford/SMU might be the last of the schools with any legitimacy whatsoever to replace them with.

Once the ACC loses its top 3 or 4 teams, they can function basically at the Big 12 level. No legitimate contenders, but a mid-tier league that won't collapse and get one team in the playoff each year.
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
8100 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:02 am to
UNC and FSU? Even with SC and LSU voting no I think there's enough yes votes to get it done.
Posted by 1LoudTideFan
Member since May 2008
3658 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:06 am to
UNC, UVA, FSU, then either Clemson or Duke. End the expansion right there.
Posted by Chip82
Athens, Georgia
Member since Jan 2023
1402 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:11 am to
quote:

I don't want to see more expansion.


With the way things are now configured, you could play an SEC opponent during the regular schedule, then meet again in the SEC CG and then play again in the 12 team bracket.

Regional rivalries have always been an interesting part of NCAA football. Network television has ruined some great traditions in the name of profit and greed.

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121271 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:14 am to
Would have rather poached the top tier teams from the ACC rather than picking up Texas and Oklahoma. They would have been a better fit.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
11447 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:39 am to
Only a matter of time, but football will be a 40-50 school umbrella. The Vandys of the world will play at a lower level.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8469 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:40 am to
quote:

More Talk Of ACC Teams Leaving...NC To SEC? by Wolfhound45
Would have rather poached the top tier teams from the ACC rather than picking up Texas and Oklahoma. They would have been a better fit.


Goes back to the priority debate of name brand vrs. location.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24366 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:46 am to
Duke would be a terrible addition...add UNC, Clemson, FSU...maybe Virginia too...and be done with it...
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
2752 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:48 am to
Just don't see why everyone is saying Virginia to the SEC. What have they ever brought to the table? The two most natural fits would be Clemson, FSU, then maybe UNC, but Virginia?
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24366 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Just don't see why everyone is saying Virginia to the SEC. What have they ever brought to the table?
Population (2022) = 8,683,619
Posted by dawg-fan#1
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2012
1565 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 11:55 am to
Virginia brings a market since both top schools are in the ACC
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121271 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

location
I would lean in this direction. And I honestly (possibly wrongly) do not see Texas and Oklahoma as name brand teams. I consider that both of them will end of being cancers within our conference (Texas definitely).

I can agree with Texas A&M fans in that regard.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45955 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:02 pm to
Well they have proven they can beat SEC teams
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
3255 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:04 pm to
Virginia is a Big Ten lock if invited. The real question will be if the SEC wants VaTech. Personally I think they are a better fit than UVA and actually bring in the only VA market that cares about college football. Half of VA’s population are transplants in metro DC.
Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
3732 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Only a matter of time, but football will be a 40-50 school umbrella. The Vandys of the world will play at a lower level.


Here we go again. But it's OK - my patience is limitless. So I'll explain it again.

What do you call the worst team in the NFL ? The 32nd best football team on the planet. Yet, that team sucks, in respect to their league, because there is no 33rd team to be better than.

There will never, never, be a super league of 40 - 50 schools. Because then you've just taken the top of Division I - and arbitrarily made teams that used to be happy to be in the Top 25 suck. Because the bottom of your Top 40 Super League ? They'll suck, by definition. They'll be the teams that take a beating from someone better.

Now tell me, sport. How many teams want to rush into that arrangement ? Just so they can say they're the worst of the best ? No AD that's sane will join that deal.

Vandy is going nowhere. And you should be damn glad they are not.
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