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re: Mizzou fans: Do you think Pinkel needs to go?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:04 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:04 pm to Jagd Tiger
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Gary, we'll take it from here".
Who takes it from here?
You still have yet to answer that question. It's easy for fans to throw out a solution like "Fire _____ " with no realistic answer. Who do you hire? And don't throw out some rhetorical "This school hired _____ " answer either.
Actually name off some coaches you think, if Pinkel is fired, could be hired for Mizzou next season and can do better than Pinkel.
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Who takes it from here?
We thought the same thing at Florida, and uh, we're pretty good with what happened. Imagine if that was your boyfriend, Belle.
"But who can I find who's better?"
Better to go to dating sites than hang with the dude who's failing you, gurl.
All jest aside: There are TONS of coaches out there who do more with less, like Mac. The dude came into Florida, who was, actually, putting up better numbers than Pink was this year, and made us have a pulse again. Mizzou can find someone out there, who isn't a huge name but has proven that he can do a lot with a little.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
I already did name a coach, if you want to continue your delusion that somehow there aren't coaches out there that could win more at Mizzou, feel free, it's your dementia.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:08 pm to Jagd Tiger
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no not really, what I'm "demanding" is a level of expectation that "we do what we do" and calling division wins "championships" esp ones you DIDN'T EVEN WIN, are not really what top level program do as a "system".
And what I'm saying is that we're not a "top level" program. We're trying to turn in to one.
A non-"Big 6" team has never won the SEC Championship game since there's been one. A program hasn't won their first program NC since Florida did it in the 90s. Hell, even the "brilliant" Snyder at kState won a single conference championship.
There are blue bloods and there aren't. I'm not saying that we can't be one, just that we're not right now.
If Saban or Mayer said they wanted a challenge and the only place they'd take that challenge was at Mizzou I'd show Pinkel his new statue and get him on the first bus to the lake later that day.
Until that day happens, let the guy that built the foundation out of shite try to maintain it, then get someone when it's time. Brooming Pinkel for a chance at someone like Fuentes just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:08 pm to Mizzeaux
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Mizzeaux
I pretty much agree with everything you said there, except that I have no idea what coach would want to go to Mizzou if you fire Pinkel with a .500% SEC East winning percentage. That gives horrible expectations to a future coach, and I think most people would stay way away from that.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:15 pm to Jagd Tiger
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I already did name a coach, if you want to continue your delusion that somehow there aren't coaches out there that could win more at Mizzou, feel free, it's your dementia.
You named Chris Petersen who is in his 2nd year at Washington. They just made him one of the highest paid coaches in the PAC. His buyout in the 1st season was $3 million and won't slide down that scale to $1.5 million until his 4th season.
Now once again, who can Mizzou realistically hire to replace Pinkel if you have your way and he's fired?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We thought the same thing at Florida, and uh, we're pretty good with what happened.
Most Florida fans had an idea of who they could realistically hire if you got rid of Muschamp.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:23 pm to Mizzeaux
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A non-"Big 6" team has never won the SEC Championship game since there's been one. A program hasn't won their first program NC since Florida did it in the 90s. Hell, even the "brilliant" Snyder at kState won a single conference championship.
yea, nobody said it was easy, esp when you move from a weaksauce B12 north to the SEC east. The old man at Kstate is a prime example of a program that has no "right of expectation for getting better", a lesser of a div 1 program in a state that has to go next door to find a large metro recruiting ground, ie NOT WHAT MIZZOU IS, and of course the old man has worked Pinkel like punching bag a few times too. Take a look at the old mans coaching tree as well, compare it to Pinkels and it's another absurd embarrassment of juxtaposition in achievements.
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There are blue bloods and there aren't. I'm not saying that we can't be one, just that we're not right now.
Exactly, it's just that we now know Pinkel isn't on the cusp of putting us at that level either, so the idea of giving him a half decade to ride off into the sunset, is basically absurd.
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Brooming Pinkel for a chance at someone like Fuentes just doesn't make sense to me.
It really kind of does make sense though, you hire a coach like Petersen when he's on the cusp and not after a P5 program w/ expectations picks him up. Fuente or take your pick, right now just promoting Odom w/ the understanding he will make Kul the DC and clean house on the other side of the ball, makes every bit as much sense as "we do what we do".
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Most Florida fans had an idea of who they could realistically hire if you got rid of Muschamp.
The more levelheaded among us did not. We knew that we were a damn good program who was doing poorly, but Mac was a great choice and not many people outside of Bama knew he would turn out to be a good coach.
There's no reason to believe that Mizzou can't go on the look for possibly even a younger head coach with less experience (but HC experience nonetheless) with a decent record or as I said: someone who takes what little talent they have and turns it into gold.
Head coach from Western Kentucky beat Vanderbilt hardly any talent.
Pinkel lost to Vanderbilt with a whole HELL of a lot more talent than that fellow.
There's just too many guys out there right now to sit on the conservative, nice guy who makes you feel good because he got you out of the slums but now doesn't put forth the effort. Way too many guys.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:33 pm to Mizzeaux
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I'd guess it has a lot more to do with the KC/STL thing than any message board, but I suppose we're both just guessing.
Sure, we're just guessing for the most part. However, the Mizzou fans trolling Mizzou fans on this board most certainly has a TigerBoard element to it just like Mizzou fans trolling Mizzou fans on Tigerboard has an SECrant element to it.
Mizzou fans on Tigerboard don't like other Mizzou fans who aren't in the original Tigerboard clique no differently than most SECranters don't like the obvious Tigerboarders who have migrated to the SECrant.
And on top of all of that...there's the KC/STL rivalry.
Missouri is and will always be a split state on about every issue. We've always been trolling each other, except Missourians "trolling" Missourians during the Civil War was another way to say brothers killings brothers. Trolling and murder were one and the same.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:41 pm to mizzoukills
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Sure, we're just guessing for the most part. However, the Mizzou fans trolling Mizzou fans on this board most certainly has a TigerBoard element to it just like Mizzou fans trolling Mizzou fans on Tigerboard has an SECrant element to it.
We've had some fake fans on our board for a bit now, sad state of affairs.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We've had some fake fans on our board for a bit now, sad state of affairs.
Yeah, fakers suck.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:46 pm to mizzoukills
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And on top of all of that...there's the KC/STL rivalry.
Missouri is and will always be a split state on about every issue. We've always been trolling each other, except Missourians "trolling" Missourians during the Civil War was another way to say brothers killings brothers. Trolling and murder were one and the same.
I get a kick out of these idiots saying "yankees fighting",, I was on campus back before the open container laws and saw plenty of brawls(some between KC-STL) kids that ended in hospital trips. One kid from KC took on 3 guys from STL in front of that bar on Conley right behind Jesse, fortunately for him it's only two blocks to the med center..
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
Any Mizzou fan that would even think of getting rid of Pinkel is delusional, at best, and more probably needs to be institutionalized.
I hate citing to Wikipedia, but scroll down to Mizzou head coaches' records
I hate citing to Wikipedia, but scroll down to Mizzou head coaches' records
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:53 pm to Jagd Tiger
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I'm fine w/ giving Gary his "due", lets take the money from his salary and put it into the new "Pinkel coaching lounge" in the new south end rebuild/expansion, and move on, you've done an outstanding job making us a barely over .500 team in 15 years, Gary, we'll take it from here".
GP is 117-70 at Mizzou, "barely" 47 games over .500. We all know you hate the guy, but at least quit making things up.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Meh. This season sucks, no doubt about it. Even a serviceable offense would have this team with a much, much better record.
I don't think Pinkel forgot how to coach, or has lost the fire. He's not Muschamp because he's proven himself; he's not Spurrier because he seems to still have that fire. Henson (the OC) still has the jury out on him, but honestly I don't really question the playcalling just the execution (or lack thereof). The only coach who in my mind probably needs to walk after this season is Ricker (OL), and I think it's very doubtful that he goes, as if nothing else he's making inroads in recruiting in TX and Oklahoma from what I hear.
Basically, I'd be surprised if anything changed. One problem is that the current DC is going to be offered a multitude of HC jobs this winter, and will likely leave to go to Memphis or another one of them. Not sure where this team goes when they're trying to find a new DC, although they'll probably hire the DL coach who has an amazing track record as a teams coach but 0 as a coordinator.
I think Ricker will improve, and Henson can grow as a playcaller. But if they're demonstrably worse on defense next year and the offense doesn't make giant leaps (which is entirely possible---outside of the line and RB they are all freshmen and sophomores at skill positions), they're in big trouble.
I don't think Pinkel forgot how to coach, or has lost the fire. He's not Muschamp because he's proven himself; he's not Spurrier because he seems to still have that fire. Henson (the OC) still has the jury out on him, but honestly I don't really question the playcalling just the execution (or lack thereof). The only coach who in my mind probably needs to walk after this season is Ricker (OL), and I think it's very doubtful that he goes, as if nothing else he's making inroads in recruiting in TX and Oklahoma from what I hear.
Basically, I'd be surprised if anything changed. One problem is that the current DC is going to be offered a multitude of HC jobs this winter, and will likely leave to go to Memphis or another one of them. Not sure where this team goes when they're trying to find a new DC, although they'll probably hire the DL coach who has an amazing track record as a teams coach but 0 as a coordinator.
I think Ricker will improve, and Henson can grow as a playcaller. But if they're demonstrably worse on defense next year and the offense doesn't make giant leaps (which is entirely possible---outside of the line and RB they are all freshmen and sophomores at skill positions), they're in big trouble.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:59 pm to MIZ83
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We all know you hate the guy
you don't really "know" shite.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:00 pm to MIZ83
Not to make his point for him, and I don't know if he's really going for this, but Pinkel is like 7-8 games over .500 in conference play.
I'm not saying this as a reason to get rid of Pinkel, but he has made a living winning OOC games.
He's not a God, but he's also not a bad coach. He has earned the chance to turn it around. The truth really lies in between the people with pitchforks now and the people putting GP up for Mizzou sainthood.
I'm not saying this as a reason to get rid of Pinkel, but he has made a living winning OOC games.
He's not a God, but he's also not a bad coach. He has earned the chance to turn it around. The truth really lies in between the people with pitchforks now and the people putting GP up for Mizzou sainthood.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:03 pm to NEMizzou
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I don't think Pinkel forgot how to coach, or has lost the fire. He's not Muschamp because he's proven himself; he's not Spurrier because he seems to still have that fire.
I'm just saying: I've seen this movie before. We were trying to tell Mizzou fans that the East as of late has been pretty bad. Not that the traditional powers weren't in the top, but that we were accustomed to having 4 teams that could possibly win the east instead of just two like these last years have had.
I love watching Football, and honestly try to watch as many games as I possibly can. I wanted Muschamp gone early, I mean the first time he got blown out by Alabama early and then similarly got blown out by LSU the next week.
All I'm saying is I've seen this movie before, not saying they're the same, but either Pinkel forgot how to scheme, has recruited badly or has not hired the right guys around him to make his offense work. It is completely, unilaterally, unequivocally broken and the last time I saw that, we struggled to bowl and for the first time since 1979 failed to go to a bowl at all.
Maybe I'm just quick to the draw, but I have a feeling you guys have reached your pinnacle with Pinkel. 6 first downs in an entire game?
Those aren't even Muschamp numbers.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:04 pm to NEMizzou
I wouldn't mind Odom getting a HC job somewhere.
One of my issues with GP is that his coaching tree is nothing but a seedling, good for stability of the program but bad for development and succession. Once it's time for GP to hang it up, we're almost going to have to go get another mid-major coach or throw real (I mean real real) money at someone from outside the Mizzou program.
Odom getting some HC experience at Memphis and running his own program is not a bad thing assuming he's on the short list for us once it's time to hire our new guy.
One of my issues with GP is that his coaching tree is nothing but a seedling, good for stability of the program but bad for development and succession. Once it's time for GP to hang it up, we're almost going to have to go get another mid-major coach or throw real (I mean real real) money at someone from outside the Mizzou program.
Odom getting some HC experience at Memphis and running his own program is not a bad thing assuming he's on the short list for us once it's time to hire our new guy.
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