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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out

Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am to
And here's another thing. People who intimate that gay individuals are going to hell are way off base. In Christianity, no one sin is more damnable than any other.

Calling something a sin doesn't make one bigoted. Hell, I sin pretty much every day. So I don't treat others with disdain or disregard due to their sins (again, looking through the prism of Christianity) because I have enough trouble keeping my own self in line.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am to
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It is what causes THIS particular sin to be discussed for 50+ pages


The hate and intolerance of differing opinions from the, you must accept something you disagree with, has contributed greatly to this this thread.
Posted by Bama98
Houston
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:54 am to
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Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:55 am to
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Christians should love and respect Michael Sam just like they should everyone else. Christian are not superior to him in anyway.


100% agree.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:56 am to
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I'm not basing it off Leviticus. Here are the verses if you're interested: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.



Romans 1 isn't about homosexuality, bro. It's about pagan idolatry and temple sex rituals. You're the one guilty of taking it out of context.

The Corinthians verse you cited was a translation error. There was no literal translation for the Greek word Arsenokoites. It wasn't even a widely used word at the time of its writing.

The Timothy verse only refers to perverts. Doesn't say anything about homosexuality.

So try again.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:56 am to
Correct. Most though, I think are simply saying, accepting the celebration of someone elses homosexuality isn't something that should be forced upon them. He chooses to act on being gay. Fine. Demonizing people who disagree with that decision to act on it is the issue now.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:56 am to
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THIS particular sin to be discussed for 50+ pages but failing to go to Church does not that makes a person a bigot.


Oh please give me a break. This thread has gone 50 pages because it's national news and also a hot button social issue in this country. And it's not been 50 pages of one sided bemoaning, either.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54844 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:56 am to
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people who believe homosexuality is a sin probably haven't spent much time with or around homosexuals.
This is small minded ignorance, IMO. You have no way of knowing or being able to claim this.

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They don't choose to be gay; it is who they are.
This is a debate that can't be settled currently, but we are all sinners (it is who we all are). Homosexuality isn't unique.

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So don't be shocked when they're resentful towards people who tell them that something innate in them - something which cannot be changed - is sinful, immoral, etc.
Sin is innate in all of us. Maybe you don't understand Christianity very well.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 8:58 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:57 am to
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people who believe homosexuality is a sin probably haven't spent much time with or around homosexuals


Grossly incorrect.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:58 am to
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DCRebel



Not this again..... It's (homosexuality) only the biggest topic of the day. Most people are really ignorant to the science and the whole history!

Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:59 am to
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That said, people who believe homosexuality is a sin probably haven't spent much time with or around homosexuals




That's a ridiculous statement.

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something which cannot be changed - is sinful, immoral, etc


Everyone makes a decision to act or not act on feelings or impulses. Your argument would excuse and make people bigots for having a problem with adulterers, because someone couldn't change how they felt about having sex with someone out of wedlock. In the end, it boils down to sexual choices and impulses. And every man and woman alive, makes a distinct decision to act on those sexual urges.
Posted by DCRebel
An office somewhere
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:59 am to
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They don't choose to be gay; it is who they are.
This is a debate


No it's not.

It's as much of a "debate" as evolution vs. creationism. The only people who are propping up the idea of it being a debatable topic are those who can't reconcile reality with their religious beliefs.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:59 am to
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They don't choose to be gay; it is who they are. So don't be shocked when they're resentful towards people who tell them that something innate in them - something which cannot be changed - is sinful, immoral, etc.


This is not proven. There is no genetic link to prove it. If it is proven, then I'll gladly accept new evidence and do some soul searching on my beliefs like any logical person should.

To preface my next question, let me say I do not in any way think homosexuality should be illegal as it is victimless compared to pedophilia or bestality. I'm not comparing them in any way.

But here's, my question: If people are born with a strong attraction to the same sex (on a sliding scale, not black and white), then wouldn't the same apply to people who have a major attraction to children or animals? Wouldn't they have been born that way? If so, shouldn't we not put these people in prison and give them the choice of medical castration?
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:00 am to
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You stereotyping the south is the exact same as people stereotyping gays. Don't lower yourself to that level. You're better than that.


Lol at people who think that homophobia or bigotry is anymore prevalent in the South.

I've met more homophobes in the Midwest than I ever have in the South. I also don't think that the average Southerner is anymore or less racist than anyone else. Historically maybe yes but a lot of that is due to the fact that there are/were simply more racial minorities in the South and more opportunities to express racism.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:00 am to
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This is kinda just stupid. People prefer animal sex too. It doesn't make one a bigot to find that repulsive.


So you are comparing homosexuality to banging a goat now hunter? C'mon. If you want me to further clarify my statement, I will.

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But the hate and intolerance being spewed towards people who find the act of homosexuality as immoral and sinful, is ridiculous.


I have no problem with one finding it sinful. But I fully expect you, hunter, to thump your bible every time an athlete has sex outside of marriage. I don't expect to see you condone it in any way, even by making light of it.

I am very tolerant of the bigots on here. You want to hate on someone because of their sex? Go ahead. You want to hate on someone because of their skin color? Go ahead. You want to hate on someone because of their sexual preference? Go ahead. I'm actually very tolerant of people's rights to believe whatever they want. It will obviously shape my opinion of them as human beings, but they can think whatever they want as long as it's not carried out into actions and as long as it doesn't affect those against whom you hold those views.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:01 am to
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Romans 1 isn't about homosexuality, bro. It's about pagan idolatry and temple sex rituals


24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54844 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:01 am to
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No it's not.

So a genetic link has been found?

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It's as much of a "debate" as evolution vs. creationism.
Which is also a legitimate debate. To say that neither has been proven to the exclusion of the other.

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The only people who are propping up the idea of it being a debatable topic are those who can't reconcile reality with their religious beliefs.
I get that you have an issue with religious people, but you are beginning to sound come of as more ignorant than I normally know you to be.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20762 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:01 am to
I keep reading, "The media/the liberals/the left/gay propaganda/those accepting of gay people insist on their opinion being the only right one and that any differing opinions are just wrong and bigotry!"

If you're against homosexuality or the public display of homosexuality, you're forcing your own views as fact. Then for the most part, the majority of you are claiming that it's a sin and could be a one way ticket to hell.

What's worse? Being called a bigot or being judged as a worthy resident of eternal damnation?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21792 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:01 am to
Like has been said already, this isn't and shouldn't be a big deal. Everyone knew hew was gay already (good for him for not hiding it).

I'm fairly sure this whole media bomb is a strategic NFL draft move. NFL scouts already knew Sam was gay and they have held that against draft prospects before because there was no chance of repercussion. By Sam going national media with all this, if someone passes on Sam who could have obviously used someone like Sam, the whole country can openly discuss if Sam was discriminated against. This forces NFL teams to think twice about passing on him even if they aren't that interested.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:03 am
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:02 am to
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In theory, I agree with the premise "what is the point of making an announcement."


The fact that this thread is over 50 pages tells you why there was a need.
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